karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
Nashua, NH
 ·Fairpoint Communic..
| reply to RichardB4
Re: Spamhaus.co.uk anyone?
Abuse of jurisdiction? Of COURSE it's abuse of juridsction. The company has no presence in the US. Exactly how does a US court have 'juridstiction' over a company that isn't based in the US.
You need to get a clue. Spamhause is in the right. A US court has NO RIGHT to prosecute a foreign company. And foreign courts have no right to prosecute US companies. How would you feel if a north korean court convicted YOU of crimes against the state? It would be a bullshit case. And the spamhause case is exactly the same crap. |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
| Which law school did you attend? If the actions violate U.S. law, they are subject to prosecution/civl action. Collecting is another matter.
I think ICANN should just suspend domains that spam. I'm sick of the 20-1 ratio of spam. I don't block spam since I might block someone legit (which happens).
Why should companies and ISPs spend hundreds of millions on spam control? Identify the jerks and kill their domains. A ton are sending all kinds of junk making customers have to buy software for all kinds of spyware, malware, trojans, etc.
Since I'm personally sick of Playboy.com's spam, suspend their domain for a week. I bet they never spam again. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
Nashua, NH
·Fairpoint Communic..
| What law school did YOU attend. International law CLEARLY STATES that the laws of one country do NOT EXTEND to other countries. So it doesn't matter WHAT any US court says. The fact of the matter is that Spamhause is NOT BREAKING THE LAW. PERIOD.
It's exactly the same reason the piratebay.org exists. In sweded, trackers are 100% legal. The **AA's can kiss their white republican asses goodbye, because they have NO RIGHTS in sweden.
The internet is INTERNATIONAL. Only rabid christian right-wing republicans think the US OWNS the internet. The truth of the matter is the US is just a tiny player these days. |
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jaxdomino
join:2001-12-01
Jacksonville, FL
 ·Axvoice
| reply to rachelsfx
You not serious right? If you are you have no clue. Which I get already from your posting. Killing a domain name won't stop spammers. Most spam is sent via compromised PC's who's owners have no clue their PC is sending out spam. Also, spammers move around so much it would be impossible to block spam by getting rid of their domain. They'll just spoof another one. I'm an email administrator and we DO block SPAM, if a legitimate message does get blocked, which you are right, it does happen from time to time, we fix it. In the old days we and still today, people try and block spammers using Blacklists they maintain themselves. IMPOSSIBLE. Ask the folks who used to manage DNS back in the day when it was a small text file that was emailed around with updates. |
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Clam
@rr.com | reply to karlmarx
Only a choat smoking democrat would assume all Republicans are rabid christians. |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC
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October 9th, @03:38PM
| reply to jaxdomino
Instead of quoting that the law is this or that, why don't you guys look it up or ask a real attorney (preferably one that practices international law).
When your done, post any applicable links here.
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
| reply to karlmarx
That may be a scholarly definition of the law, but in reality, laws are enforced by whomever has the might to enforce them.
One can argue that we have no legal jurisdiction over Iraq, but we went over there to enforce our will. We can invade and punish ANY country that defies our courts. That's the new American way. |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to karlmarx
Let's see, unregistered user trying to defend the
practice of spamming.
From the Rules Of Spam, Rule #1:
Russel's Admonition: Always assume that there is a
measurable chance that the entity you are dealing with is
a spammer.
IMO, I think that this is the case here with the
anon poster above.
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"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Destiny Of The Daleks) |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·Packet8
| reply to rachelsfx
said by rachelsfx  :Which law school did you attend? If the actions violate U.S. law, they are subject to prosecution/civl action. Collecting is another matter. I don't know about him but you clearly didn't attend any kind of law-related school, that's for sure... 
This idea is hilarious, that US laws would apply outside of US soil... |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | reply to rachelsfx
Spamhaus doesn't block anyone. They publish a list that mail admins can choose to implement at their leisure, understanding the implications of said lists' usage. Nothing more. |
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CoxCable4
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to 91439306
said by 91439306 :That's the new American way. lol yeah, didn't anyone see team america: world police? |
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
| said by CoxCable4 :said by 91439306 :That's the new American way. lol yeah, didn't anyone see team america: world police? That's where it's headed. You cannot escape America's laws and it's corporations' desires! |
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tchamilton
join:2002-07-19
Trabuco Canyon, CA
·Packet8
·LINGO
| reply to karlmarx
It sounds to me you need to get a clue Kara. First of all you need to look at the international law in regards to spam, hacking, etc. Spamhause is NOT in the right, they were guilty of spamming. I guess we all should spam you with millions and millions of emails see how you like it. |
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tchamilton
join:2002-07-19
Trabuco Canyon, CA
·Packet8
·LINGO
| reply to karlmarx
I am no christian, republican, nor democrat...needless to say UK just passed a law stating email spam is illegal. If someone is sending us spam from the UK, that person in the UK is sending email through US email servers and they need to abid by the laws of US.....Just like if someone hacked into a US computer from UK they would be held accountable for there actions. UK would be the responsible one and to prosecute the criminals. |
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GTaylor
Premium
join:2002-12-14
Frisco, TX
clubs:
| reply to rachelsfx
said by rachelsfx :Why should companies and ISPs spend hundreds of millions on spam control? Identify the jerks and kill their domains. A ton are sending all kinds of junk making customers have to buy software for all kinds of spyware, malware, trojans, etc. Easier said than done, the Polyakov gang (Currently #1 in Spamhaus' spammers list) is known to open up to 2,000 domains at one time. On average a spammer domain lasts appx 1/2 a day, if they're lucky a day and a half i.e. they're already used to their domains being killed.
This is how a spammer thinks:
- Kill my domains, I'll simply point my site to another
- Kill all my domains I'll open 2000 more (All under assumed names of course)
- Kill all my domains and force me not to open any (Which is impossible unless you physically force this) and I'll point it to trojaned PCs.
Get the idea - the good guys are one step behind, and sadly will be for a while.
Most spammers aren't stupid, they know how to work viruses, how to hack servers that aren't properly secured, how to cover their tracks, how to launder money to several different countries. One spammer busted had 35 servers (Yes, 35) dedicated to sending spam. Chris Rizler once had 85 employees working under him. This is not some kid working behind a PC. This criminal business if full-fledged and prosecuting isn't easy and takes time.
Factor in the above paragraph and how they work and you can see why simply closing their domains doesn't solve any problem other than preventing you from getting spam for minutes. |
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sivran
God Save The Suite
Premium
join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to tchamilton
said by tchamilton :Spamhause is NOT in the right, they were guilty of spamming. I don't know about Spamhause, but Spamhaus is not a spammer (nor are the accused of being such), they are a real-time blacklist and one of the most conservative ones around, at that.
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Think outside the fox...Seamonkey |
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sweintz
Premium
join:2002-03-01
Hamden, CT
| reply to 91439306
said by 91439306 :said by CoxCable4 :said by 91439306 :That's the new American way. lol yeah, didn't anyone see team america: world police? That's where it's headed. You cannot escape America's laws and it's corporations' desires! Um, ok, but in this case we WERE talking about jurisdiction of US courts over a defendant located in the UK. Somehow I don't think we are likely to invade the United Kingdom over this... |
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT | I was being somewhat facetious, to illustrate a point, and to vent my frustration.  |
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