Piracy should be stamped out; not competed with

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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	Piracy should be stamped out; not competed with The tech media likes to focus on whether Cinemanow can compete with services from major operators like Apple and Amazon - or whether users will flock to on-line downloads. The real question the industry should be asking is: can these services compete with piracy? . And why should the industry have to tolerate competing with piracy. Piracy should be stamped out like any other criminal enterprise. Just because it is hard to stamp out doesn't mean that it shouldn't be. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page
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stonecolddsl Linux Junkie join:2004-01-07 Sarasota, FL ·Rapid Systems, Inc. ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Verizon Online DSL	I tried to buy 5 different movies from them. Each time I had to call for a full refund. As the movies would not work right at all. I tried Different media ( though I dont buy cheap no name media) Different burners Different DVD players. Out of 10 nieghbors only 1 had a dvd player that could play the movies and it was some 19 dollar thing he got last christmas at walmart. What is surprising though is that my nice not great but nice panasonic one could not do it nore could my cheapie dvd players work either. Though it did work in the dvd player of my aunt's mini van. Hey I love the idea of cinema now but all they proven to me is that I should stick with netflix.
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	said by stonecolddsl : I tried to buy 5 different movies from them. Each time I had to call for a full refund. As the movies would not work right at all. Hey I love the idea of cinema now but all they proven to me is that I should stick with netflix. They have a good idea, but if they can't deliver a product reliably then they will deservedly go out of business. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page
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guitarzan Premium join:2004-05-04 Skytop, PA ·epix	reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail : The tech media likes to focus on whether Cinemanow can compete with services from major operators like Apple and Amazon - or whether users will flock to on-line downloads. The real question the industry should be asking is: can these services compete with piracy? . And why should the industry have to tolerate competing with piracy. Piracy should be stamped out like any other criminal enterprise. Just because it is hard to stamp out doesn't mean that it shouldn't be. I see what you're getting at TK. The question, that needs to be addressed and should be asked by costumers : Why is this industry insistent on treating all purchasers as pirates? As is presently being done. In this case why should one buy a DVD crippled by DRM or limited by region.? Why can't I take my legally purchased DVD's with me on vacation to Germany or where ever or purchase a DVD overseas and not have the ability to play it at home, here in the U.S.? A DVD is a DVD is a DVD, is it not? WTF is the difference where that DVD is purchased. Piracy will always be around in one form or another. However that being said. The MPAA/RIAA, bah the entire industry is responsible for the explosion of P2P, IMO. How long did they believe the action of biting the hand that feeds them would last, until that very same hand, becomes the hand that slaps them.? This service is doomed for failure right from the get go. Why? Well having an announced 6% failure rate right from the launch is terrible. That negative 6 % is going to snowball quickly, both by word of mouth and internet forums such as BBR. One only gets one chance to make a good impression, and they just F'ed it up royally, and no amount of spin will correct this IMO. quote: CinemaNow meanwhile lauds itself as the only major label service legally offering a burn-to-DVD option, and after the report, went into damage control mode. A company spokesman insisted that internal tests showed the DVDs worked on "94 percent of DVD players," and that CinemaNow had not received complaints from customers or movie studios since launching the service Note bold-ed text.Why would the movie studios complain, as long as they get their cut. In all likely hood the studios don't give a rats azz. IMO the customer service response to those affect 6% will be , tough luck, go purchase an approved DVD burner and re-purchase the movie People ARE fighting back the DRM restrictions, by using the only and most successful option available to them - P2P -- Bass....the glue of rhythm and harmony...the heartbeat of the band.! Shaking the earth with deep,sonorous vibrations.The dark ominous thunder of an approching storm.
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Jason Levine Premium join:2001-07-13 USA	reply to TKJunkMail The reason they have to compete with piracy is because piracy is seen by many as a legitimate option. But competing doesn't mean that they have to offer their product for free. People are willing to pay for better quality and service. Currently, anyone wanting to get a song/movie from one of the various pirate channels has to weed through low quality files, avoid virus/trojan infected files, steer clear of misnamed files, and then wait while they and a hundred other people download the one good file in the bunch. Once they are done with the download, though, they can do pretty much anything with the downloaded file. In contrast, the for pay services (ideally) give the user a quick, clear (and legal) path to the file they are looking for in exchange for a small fee. Unfortunately, the other trade off is that you don't tend to get a DRMed file (and thus have restrictions on your Fair Use rights). Piracy will always exist. Controlling it doesn't always take place in the courts. If you have a legal option as good as the illegal one, people will tend to go the legal route and the number of pirates will shrink. (My personal favorite method for getting music is buying used CDs and ripping them. My personal favorite method for getting video is buying/renting/borrowing DVDs.)
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BillTager join:2000-09-20 Charlotte, NC 1 edit	reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail : The tech media likes to focus on whether Cinemanow can compete with services from major operators like Apple and Amazon - or whether users will flock to on-line downloads. The real question the industry should be asking is: can these services compete with piracy? . And why should the industry have to tolerate competing with piracy. Piracy should be stamped out like any other criminal enterprise. Just because it is hard to stamp out doesn't mean that it shouldn't be. Do they really have a choice? They'll never be able to stamp it out. At best they'll make it harder and harder to break. Problem is though, that it only takes one person to break it. Once the cats out....the mouse has to play. -- Formerly DSLWho
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Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ	reply to TKJunkMail Region coding is a whole different animal and is another cause for piracy. imo DVDs should work in any market from any market, this way people could buy legal DVDs anywhere and not have to pirate them if their region doesnt have that one for sale. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports
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guitarzan Premium join:2004-05-04 Skytop, PA ·epix	reply to Jason Levine said by Jason Levine : But competing doesn't mean that they have to offer their product for free. People are willing to pay for better quality and service. Jason, you, I, and many others understand this. The market demand is there its proving itself. Simply meet the demand of what people want, talk about an goldmine just begging to be mined Under the current situation, it would be a huge waste of time, $$$ and effort by investing capitol, into a system that will only offers more of the same, of whats already out there, which customers are rejecting. How is this so hard to understand or grasp? I'm not saying it will stop piracy dead in its tracks over night. P2P piracy didn't pop up over night to the point we see today. IMO, the steps the industry takes today, relatively speaking of course, can reduce piracy to the point of where it would not make sense to waste time on it. Why not give it a try? Nothing has curbed it so far. If it does not work, what have they lost? IMO no more than they currently claim to lose -- Bass....the glue of rhythm and harmony...the heartbeat of the band.! Shaking the earth with deep,sonorous vibrations.The dark ominous thunder of an approching storm.
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