Bichon
Premium,MVM
join:2002-10-10
Freehold, NJ
2 edits | reply to amdmaxx
Re: [OOL] Boost is getting a free boost
The penalization is a better method. Those who abuse lose, instead of everybody losing.
Best is differentiated services at different prices. Regular service, for customers with a typical usage pattern at a lower price. Premium, for customers who want more, at a higher price. Charge users who want more bandwidth enough to recoup the cost of building the infrastructure to support them. |
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coold8
Premium
join:2005-05-15
Silver Spring, MD | reply to GeekNJ
If I get capped one more time I get suspended. Can't afford to do that until FiOS is in my area. |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | reply to Bichon
Exactly, why should some have to subsidize others. |
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La Luna
Surviving Ashraful
Premium
join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
clubs:
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said by GeekNJ  :What a bizarre way of attacking one company and not another. So you think that it's better to penalize (lower caps) on all customers as Time Warner did then to only address those causing an issue? Are you truly out of your mind? I enjoyed my 10/1 connection and would be ticked off if some snot nosed kid that doesn't understand the meaning of stealing caused my speed to permanently drop so we could "all be equal". That's just foolish nonsense! Exactly. That is some weird rationalization to use to justify bashing OOL. Not to mention that lowering the service cap for everyone wouldn't do a damn bit of good, it would still be abused.
A couple of years ago, I was having serious issues with my connection/speeds. I did everything I could to find out what the issue was, but there was nothing wrong on my end to fix. Finally, I was able contact the right people and was informed that the issue was well known and that it would be dealt with in some way very soon, to just sit tight.
Shortly thereafter, capping was started, and BINGO!!, MY problem magically disappeared. I finally got the service back that I WAS PAYING FOR, the service that I used to have.
I am glad they did it, and I have no sympathy for the abusers. As far as this new Boost upgrade goes, if they need to cap to rein in those who continue to degrade the service of others in an area, it's fine with me. It only takes a few to ruin the service of many, and as such, they need to be dealt with. There are other options for them to use out there that wouldn't affect the service of others.
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
| Ummm the idea behind lowering the cap is to allow people to use their connection 24/7. There is no such thing as abuse. We could say your usage of the service at all is abuse because you are taking bandwidth away from other users. Abuse is an arbitrary term. |
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GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
| said by grandpinaple :We could say your usage of the service at all is abuse because you are taking bandwidth away from other users. Not accurate. It only becomes a burden when there isn't enough bandwidth as cable and all other consumer broadband is a shared medium.
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | And if all 500 users are on at the same time on a node that is roughly 40 Mbps /500 = .08Mbps per user so if he is websurfing he is abusing the network. |
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LiberalKing
Intocable
Premium
join:2005-09-12
Bronx, NY | reply to lowdownshame
posts some speed test those who already got the 30/5 upgrade.
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Tradewind
CV Noi Ka Oi
Premium
join:2005-11-08
Marlboro, NJ | reply to lowdownshame
When the upgrade occurs is the modem rebooted automatically or do we have to do it ourselves? Or maybe no boot is needed???
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Dersgniw
Disco Crunchin
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-10
behind you
clubs: | You have to reboot... according to that email I believe. |
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karelj
Hated and Proud
join:2001-05-14
Brooklyn, NY
| reply to La Luna
said by La Luna :Shortly thereafter, capping was started, and BINGO!!, MY problem magically disappeared. I finally got the service back that I WAS PAYING FOR, the service that I used to have. I am glad they did it, and I have no sympathy for the abusers. As far as this new Boost upgrade goes, if they need to cap to rein in those who continue to degrade the service of others in an area, it's fine with me. First .. doesnt this line of discussion belong in the capping thread???
Second.. the problem that many people had with the cap policy was the vagueness of it all, plus the initial denial by CV.
There are many people who are not network experts or well versed in the intricacies of broadband technology. They had no idea what was bandwidth abuse. All they knew was that they signed up for a service that advertised certain speeds and abilities. This same service highlighted downloading/uploading large files as a benefit. THEY NEVER MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT RESTRICTIONS OR BANDWIDTH ABUSE!!!!!!!!! The average user is not going to comprehend being able to download at such a high rate but be penalized for "over using" the much much smaller upload.
That was the problem. Caps were instituted suddenly and with no way of knowing exactly what constitues abuse. Did CV ever give an exact or at least a discernable range??? No!
If you are gonna sell a service and people are not allowed to use it to the maximum then say so from the start. Make the policy clear. Give people a notice or warning when they hit that abuse level then cap them if they ignore the warning. CV went about the whole cap thing with their typical, half assed way.
I certainly understand not letting people saturate and congest the network, but make the policy clear.
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coold8
Premium
join:2005-05-15
Silver Spring, MD
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Re: [OOL] Boost is getting a free boost
Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, I have an incredible, innovational way to get us all past the capping problem.
Instead of overselling a network, why not sell it to it's capacity, and then stop selling it until your company is able to support what you offer. When you get down to it, it is not how they communicate the issue of capping, it is not whether it is abused or not it comes down to one person, one problem:
Cablevision and the D**khole I mean Dolan family. The quite simple fact is, they are extremely overselling their network to compete with a genuine fiber network, and to continue overselling the network, they had to put capping in place.
Bottom Line- They are overselling their network, and to continue doing so are taking bandwith away from the heavy users.
Abusing and overselling are two different things.
If FiOS is not available in your area, then wait, if you really want to get back at them, switch everything to Verizon, your Phone, TV, and Internet, if enough people do it, it will prove your point. |
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GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
| Uh, everyone oversells their residential network. Do you think if everyone went online and used their connection to the max under DSL everyone would reach even the minimal 3mb? Of course not, which was proven in NYC when the entire DSL infrastructure went to hell when it became oversold.
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jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
·Optimum Online
·Vonage
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said by coold8 :Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, I have an incredible, innovational way to get us all past the capping problem. Instead of overselling a network, why not sell it to it's capacity, and then stop selling it until your company is able to support what you offer. When you get down to it, it is not how they communicate the issue of capping, it is not whether it is abused or not it comes down to one person, one problem: Great innovation, but someone has already thought of it. It is called a dedicated line with a service level agreement, and is available to anyone willing to pay the cost. Residential broadband, with no service level agreement, is available to others willing to compromise on the service level for a lower cost.
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plat2on1
join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
clubs:
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defining abuse is easy, its really just two questions.
1. is the usage negatively effecting the network?
if no then its not abuse, if yes then see number two.
2. is the usage excessive?
if no then its not abuse, if yes then it is abuse.
excessive being defined as a multiple of the average user's usage. |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Two questions, what is considered a negative effect on the network and what is an average user? The average user probably uses 10-20GB per month in bandwidth. |
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TheWiseGuy
Dog And Butterfly
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-04
Yonkers, NY
1 edit | I think your 10-20GB is way over the bandwidth an average subscriber uses. While the quote below is from 2002 and I am sure average usage has increased I doubt average usage has increased that much. If I had to guess the Median (50 percentile) total consumption would under 5GB.
said by CED mag :
Currently, most broadband customers access the Internet over "untiered" systems, with no limits on data transfers. Even on these systems, the uber users are the exception, not the rule. Nine out of 10 people who subscribe to broadband Internet services consume less than 20 GB per month, which works out to just over half of the total amount of bandwidth used in an average month. A little over half of the subscribers to cable modem service download less than 2 GB per month, or about 5 percent of total monthly consumption.
»www.cedmagazine.com/article/CA247989.html
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Well I mean I do remember those statistics, but I was factoring in the google videos/youtube revolution along with p2p activity. |
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TheWiseGuy
Dog And Butterfly
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-04
Yonkers, NY
| Those activities tend to be used by those who are "into" the Internet. Here is a more recent European study. It is not conclusive for what we are discussing but it will give you some idea of how Bandwidth usage varies from the high bandwidth user to the average user.
»www.cedmagazine.com/article/CA6267349.html
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