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Bobcat
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Plastic gas pipes

EDIT: The article says this works with plastic gas pipes. Is the plastic conductive?

Semi751

join:2006-01-03
Waddy, KY
Interesting idea but I don't quite understand how it would work. It seems an idea worth testing, who know it may be in norm in another 15 years.


BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
Maybe these are the TUBES Senator Stevens was talking about.


vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA

reply to Bobcat
said by Bobcat See Profile :

EDIT: The article says this works with plastic gas pipes. Is the plastic conductive?
It doesn't have to be, the technology doesn't send an electrical signal along the pipe, it sends an RF signal *inside* the pipe, with the pipe acting as a waveguide.

russotto

join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
Plastic won't work as a waveguide.


Transmaster
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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Plastic can conductive but it has to be made that why up front, and I don't think what they have in the ground now is. But as has been said Plastic by it's self can not be a wave guide.
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ARGONAUT
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join:2006-01-24
New Albany, IN
"Whiff-WiFi"

I think there using the plastic as jacketing to stop signal bleeding like coaxial cable.


Bobcat
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Bedminster, NJ
I found out that plastic gas pipes are supposed to have a wire running alongside them, so the utility location folks can find the line. They must be using the wire to send the signal.

RadioDoc
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reply to Bobcat
Theoretically, a buried plastic gas line can still act as a waveguide (which is what they are trying to do here) but it would have higher losses than a copper pipe of the same dimensions.

However...this all assumes they can get it to go through the regulator and meter. No gas company in their right mind is going to connect anything on the high pressure side of the regulator.
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keyboard5684

join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
reply to Bobcat
They have a wire for grounding out electricity that builds up from gas moving through the pipe. Gas moving through gas lines creates electricity and needs dissipated.

8744675

join:2000-10-10
Decatur, GA
reply to vpoko
Geez, sounds like they've just upped the ante for the FIOS installers to cut more gas lines. And when they do, there goes all your personal information gushing up from a hole in the ground and being spread all over the street!


nightstar75

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reply to russotto
Its not the pipe carrying the signal, it is the ground line that is wrapped around the pipe that will carry the signal.

Tom517

join:2006-07-13
Greenville, SC
reply to keyboard5684
Actually the wire is there so the gasline can be located with metal detectors.


vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA

said by Tom517 See Profile :

Actually the wire is there so the gasline can be located with metal detectors.
Ehh? Why would they want people locating them with metal detectors? "Ooh, I think I found a treasure, better get a pick axe and dig it up!"


printscreen

join:2003-11-01
Juana Diaz, PR
·Coqui/PRTC

said by vpoko See Profile :

Ehh? Why would they want people locating them with metal detectors?
For the service people to find the exact location of the pipe without digging. This is done with water pipes also but I have seen them using a metallic tape similar to the one placed above buried power and telephone lines instead of a wire.

Tom517

join:2006-07-13
Greenville, SC
reply to vpoko
It's actually not that easy to find with the average metal detector; which is why, most of the time, they put an RF signal on the wire.
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