neonhomer
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Edgewater, FL
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Re: Glad I kicked there service to the curb
said by DrTCP  :said by LinuxJunkie :Besides the while voice "unreachable" message is really intended for humans (there is no protocol to adhere) they have even made provisions for automated dialing machinery. The dee-doo-dee tone preceeding the message is for that. IIRC, the three tones at the beginning of the message are really no longer needed. With everything being digital, those tones no longer do anything, except make you deaf when you hear em.. (they are almost always 200x louder!!) However, we still use touch-tones, so I could be (and probably am) wrong.... As for the EL DNS hijacking.... I noticed that a while back when I fatfingered an URL.... no biggie, just went back and retyped it..... I used to use 4.2.2.1 (IIRC) for my DNS, but my router and Axim get bitchy when I start specifying DNS servers.... (However, I hardly use my Axim anymore.... type to go back to 4.2.2.1 and 2.2.2.2?) --
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emptywig
Huh? What?
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join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX
| reply to poolek
Nah. What people really get upset about is this growing trend towards businesses shifting to customers things that THEY (the businesses) should be doing as a matter of course. The only thing more annoying is the number of people who seem perfectly willing to accept paying more and more money for less and less service.
And I really resent paying for a service that then uses me as a captive audience to pelt me with ads.
We're SICK OF ADS. TOO MANY ADS! That's what its about, really, just too freakin' many ads EVERYWHERE.
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| reply to LinuxJunkie
said by LinuxJunkie :What's the difference between an ad and that annoying pre-recorded message telling you "the number you have dialed is incorrect..."? Either way, you're going to know you dialed a wrong number and you're just going to hang up and re-dial it anyway. A human can interpret the web page or a recorded message provided that they can read/understand the language. An automated tool which uses DNS can no longer make the distinction.
You have many more stuff that uses DNS than your simple web browser. Basically to simply display a couple of ads on web browser a whole lot of non-web protocols are effected by this change.
For example, an SMTP server that simply bounced an email to non-existing message will keep trying to deliver messages (sometimes up to 3 days) until it is returned undeliverable. If it was returned an error after DNS lookup the bounce message could get to the user immediately and corrective action could be taken by user before too late.
Besides the while voice "unreachable" message is really intended for humans (there is no protocol to adhere) they have even made provisions for automated dialing machinery. The dee-doo-dee tone preceeding the message is for that.
To cut the long story short. There is a technical standard. When you twist the technical standard like this unusual and abnormal things start to happen. An unexisting domain is not meant to be found by DNS. |
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DrTCP
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Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
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said by LinuxJunkie :Here's a novel idea: why not just IGNORE the ads and re-type the damn domain name in? How is the automated spam filter that checks the DNS for invalid domains do that? Heck it does not even see that page as DNS does not use http protocol. How do you fix the DNS search order issue or VPN issues apparening after this change. More stuff breaks when you mess with DNS.
Internet is not just web and it is not limited to simply placing ads on error pages of the browser (which may be acceptable that should they have done it via an add-on plug-in to the web browser only) |
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LinuxJunkie
join:2005-01-19
Cyberspace
| reply to RadioDoc
What's the difference between an ad and that annoying pre-recorded message telling you "the number you have dialed is incorrect..."? Either way, you're going to know you dialed a wrong number and you're just going to hang up and re-dial it anyway. Just like if you type in a non-existent domain name: you'll either get the default browser error page or a page littered with ads as well as a message saying the domain couldn't be found. EITHER WAY, YOU KNOW YOU TYPED IT IN WRONG AND WILL SIMPLY RE-TYPE IT IN ANYWAY. |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to LinuxJunkie
Why should your provider force you to take evasive action?
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LinuxJunkie
join:2005-01-19
Cyberspace | reply to RadioDoc
Okay, so why would you listen to the ad for 15 seconds before hanging up? |
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LinuxJunkie
join:2005-01-19
Cyberspace | reply to DrTCP
Here's a novel idea: why not just IGNORE the ads and re-type the damn domain name in? |
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poolek
join:2003-11-04
Austin, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·ViaTalk
 ·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to RadioDoc
Sorry - I didn't see the question until I saw it referenced in another post...
I wouldn't like hearing an ad if I dialed a wrong number. However, if I could stop the ads by making a 5 second change in my voip's configuration, I wouldn't worry about it. I'd make the change and solve the problem. |
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poolek
join:2003-11-04
Austin, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T U-Verse
·ViaTalk
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to DrTCP
You've got a good point. I'll drop Earthlink a note and tell them that if they are going to do something like this, it should be an 'opt in' type deal. Maybe even give a cheaper monthly rate for folks who choose to participate or whatever.
I just don't understand people getting angry and indignant over something so simple to fix. There are so many other things out there to get upset about. |
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brandon
Some truth included in this post.
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join:2003-03-31
Hurley, MS
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc :said by poolek :I understand exactly how DNS works. I also know that I can change the default DNS to point to a provider other than Earthlink and avoid the ads altogether if I want. That statement shows how much you don't know. I'm sure whoever you are freeloading off of now is mighty glad to have you. Thanks for avoiding the question though. You proved my point. ...are you kidding? They're public DNS servers for a reason... |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
1 edit | reply to poolek
said by poolek :While I agree I'd rather see Earthlink not do this, I don't understand complaining about something when there's such an easy resolution to the problem. If the redirect offends you, change your DNS. Problem solved. I agree. The Earthlink cable DNS servers on Time Warner cable has more latency than some other DNS servers you could use. Typically this is not true.
Free loading or not you are actually paying for Earthlink. The thing that I do not understand about you is that you are accepting this and not requesting the service you deserve.
If you do not react to this pretty soon all ISPs will be doing something similar. Your normal DNS server choices will be less and less.
Edit: spelling |
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poolek
join:2003-11-04
Austin, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T U-Verse
·ViaTalk
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to RadioDoc
I use Level3's DNS, which actually resolves faster than the default earthlink/mindspring one. Earthlink DSL may be different, but for Earthlink Cable over Time Warner lines in my area, the default DNS isn't that quick.
And it's no more 'freeloading' than viewing this site, which also happens to come over a portion of various provder's infrastructure to get to me. That's the nature of the internet.
While I agree I'd rather see Earthlink not do this, I don't understand complaining about something when there's such an easy resolution to the problem. If the redirect offends you, change your DNS. Problem solved. |
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RadioDoc
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·AT&T Midwest
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said by poolek :I understand exactly how DNS works. I also know that I can change the default DNS to point to a provider other than Earthlink and avoid the ads altogether if I want. That statement shows how much you don't know. I'm sure whoever you are freeloading off of now is mighty glad to have you.
Thanks for avoiding the question though. You proved my point.
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| reply to poolek
said by poolek :I understand exactly how DNS works. I also know that I can change the default DNS to point to a provider other than Earthlink and avoid the ads altogether if I want. Why should you be forced to use another ISP DNS server or rather why another ISP should provide bandwidth and server resources for customers of Earthlink?
Also another ISP DNS will introduce probably have more latency for name resolutions.
You are paying Earthlink to a normally functioning DNS service as well and it is normal to demand the service you deserve. |
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poolek
join:2003-11-04
Austin, TX | reply to RadioDoc
I understand exactly how DNS works. I also know that I can change the default DNS to point to a provider other than Earthlink and avoid the ads altogether if I want. |
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RadioDoc
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Premium,ExMod 2000-03
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·AT&T Midwest
| reply to poolek
You clearly have no clue how DNS operates or what it's purpose is.
Since you seem to be a VoIP fan, here's an analogy:
You dial a number. You fat-finger one of the digits or dial one too many. Your VoIP provider, instead of giving you the normal 'no such number' intercept message plays a 15 second ad.
How would that work for you?
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