cbrantly
join:2006-07-26
San Antonio, TX
|  Why are there such bandwidth concerns?
I don't see why so many people are concerned about the bandwidth. In my experience, AT&T is just being cautious. I can say for sure that I am getting speeds of over 96Mbps to my gateway using FTTN. Other users are getting very fast connections as well. Look for AT&T to start cranking up the bandwidth next year as they get more comfortable with this new technology. After all, this is the first major IPTV installation in the US. |
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| said by cbrantly  :I don't see why so many people are concerned about the bandwidth. They aren't concerned, people just like to piss & moan because it isn't fiber to the premise. |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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If you and others are seeing those kinds of sync speeds, or even half that number, this could be a very interesting technology and product rollout.
I and others have been critical of this because it isn't Fios, and for a next generation product that is going to involve multiple HD streams and very fast internet, it's been seen as the lightweight contender vs. Verizon and the cable co's.
I mean, there's certainly nothing WRONG per se with a 6MB connection, but when you're talking about the future and many cable co's already breaking those boundaries and even doubling it..uverse just has had this feel about it like it's going to be like a 1500k connection would be viewed today with many of their dsl offerings.
And furthermore, while maybe the tv service is ok, expanding into hdtv, multiple streams and the like such as the future and even today looks like with many cable co's..the system seemed stressed before it's even out of the gate.
With what you and others are reporting now however, maybe critics have been somewhat unfair. I really don't think you can blame critics because clearly the impression I cite above IS what was out there and the company really did nothing to counteract that.
I guess we'll all just have to really wait and see how it goes. I for one would be interested in an alternative if it could provide multiple HDTV..and fast speeds...AND provided something better on the cost front versus the cable competition.
I don't want slower than cable speeds or a toned down TV service.
Hopefully this isn't also a case of the haves and have nots. As anyone with dsl knows today, some can get the higher speeds while many don't.
I think it's important that AT&T create something consistent that is available to the masses of people on a as fair as possible basis.
What also would be interesting to see is if they will create an internet only higher speed package.
At the very least, even if HDTV was questionable, they could use this new system to deliver much better net speeds to many people.
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC | good post, Rick. I agree 100%. The more competition the better no matter what 'camp' people lean towards. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
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96mbps? To your house?
Can you fire off a speed test?
Can you start a few downloads that reflect this speed?
Comcast has my "gateway" connected to 10g, redundant even(that means two of them). This does not mean I am getting this. This means that what I do get is fairly reliable. |
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pa_grape
Premium
join:2006-07-24
Columbus, OH
| reply to Rick
"What also would be interesting to see is if they will create an internet only higher speed package.
At the very least, even if HDTV was questionable, they could use this new system to deliver much better net speeds to many people."
I agree, that would be interesting. Wonder what kind of demand there would be for that? |
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cbrantly
join:2006-07-26
San Antonio, TX
| reply to dadkins
Unfortunately my internet speeds are limited at my gateway to 6Mbps with the Elite package. On speed tests I consistently get 5.8Mbps. Since the bandwidth to my house is so much higher, my 5.8Mbps speed is very reliable and consistent. I posted an image of my gateway statistics that shows the 96Mbps connection, but it is being held for moderation. |
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bamabrad
join:2006-01-27
Port Orange, FL | reply to Rick
Me thinks that they are just trying to get numbers ( of customers )first with as little investment as possible, then add, as needed,the infrastructure for future offerings ( and then rate increases-as much as possible) |
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cbrantly
join:2006-07-26
San Antonio, TX
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U-verse Stats |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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how close are you to your CO or RT, as the case may be?
Also, how would you rate the probably quality of the copper in your area? Is your area a newer community or older?
These connection speeds you are citing are very impressive and it would help potential customers to have some more information from new users such as yourself.
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cbrantly
join:2006-07-26
San Antonio, TX
| I don't really know how far I am from the VRAD. AT&T told me I was just outside of the 3000 ft range, but I measured using google maps and it looks like about 1300 ft. I could be wrong though, since I don't know the path that the copper takes from the VRAD to my house.
Also I can't answer for sure the quality of copper in my area, but all of the houses are 18-25 yrs. old, so definitely not new construction. |
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markofmayhem
join:2004-04-08
Pittsburgh, PA
| reply to bamabrad
I think there will be a lot of demand for U-Verse as is, if priced right. Telco's and Cable Co. love to hover around $85 for internet+phone packaging. If AT&T could break through at $20 less for non-promotional pricing, I hold the opinion that many, many people would pick it up. The TV situation is more complex, as the "average American" doesn't care much about internet speed when comparing 1.5 to 6.0, but the "average American" will absolutely notice what TV channels they can and can't receive. If they can offer HD content for sub-satellite pricing, then those in markets whose cable co's don't offer much HD will see a demand for U-Verse. If they can offer full packaging for slightly less than cable co's, then there would be a demand there as well. Where U-Verse may succeed over others, is the possibility of offering more choices over content, since they don't have to broadcast everything at once like sat and cable do. If they can stay on track with pricing, U-Verse has the ability to offer more tailored-to-the-consumer options than other companies. |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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Thanks for the reply.
well, using the median of the two numbers, it's about 1/2 mile.
I think i'm about that from my CO as well here in Ct.
As you state though, I don't know the route it takes and thats just as the crow flies.
Being my area is older than that, probably my copper is more suspect.
But still, even if the numbers were half of what you cite..this might be a very viable product.
It would seem that if it was at 40MB under these kinds of circumstances, that would support multiple HD and very good HSI speeds.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | reply to cbrantly
at what distance are you seeing these speeds?
if you are getting almost 100Mbps, you must be within 1000 ft of the node. Everybody isn't going to be so lucky, as ATT has been mentioning distances of up to 3000 ft as not unusual. |
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX | reply to cbrantly
Just because a modem uses a formulat to calculate a max rate doesn't mean that you'd actually be able to sync at that rate. |
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markofmayhem
join:2004-04-08
Pittsburgh, PA
| Unless the max rate is the sync rate and the current rate is the provisioned rate. Time will tell, either way, this is very, very interesting indeed. I hope those of you with U-Verse post often with updates, successes and failures. Thank you for posting thus far. |
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cbrantly
join:2006-07-26
San Antonio, TX
| 25 is the provisioned rate. Every U-verse user right now has their current rate provisioned to 25024kbps. AT&T has done this to test whether or not they can get reliable service at this rate, which will eventually be the minimum they will offer the service at. |
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| reply to Enlightener
said by Enlightener :Just because a modem uses a formulat to calculate a max rate doesn't mean that you'd actually be able to sync at that rate. How do you figure that its a formula the modem is using and not the actual max attainable rate? |
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| Based on previous threads concerning DSL technology and 2Wire management gui's, it's typically a calculated rate based on noise margins and attn.
For example in this `demo` of a 2wire modem:
»shastademo.2wire.com/rgw3-7/CONT···lt15.htm
Max2 is defined as final estimated max rate |
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