NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
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Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!!
Jonny
Did you expect someting different. There are no consumer boxes out there capable of converting HD content to SD resolutions on the fly. There are expensive boxes out there that cost thousands that do it but they're for those who are really anal about their video content.
I dont know why they're not allowing HD to go from the STB to a HD STB or from DVR to DVR. I'm guessing Moca is not all it's cracked up to be.
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bgtimber75
join:2006-06-23
Columbia, MD | Seriously, when are people going to figure out how to hack these boxes. 160GB isn't nearly enough for one DVR much less multi room. Media Manger should be available for everyone, not just the ones paying for the multi room feature. |
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KenAF
join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
| Like Nocman says, it requires an entirely different kind of decoder (MP@HL) to decode HDTV, which the SD boxes do not have. The SD boxes have a MP@ML decoder.
The SD boxes can't display HD channels now and there's no way for software to change that. |
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Johny H
join:2005-04-14
Woburn, MA
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The QIP6416-1 converts HD content to SD on the fly! Also I went to cancel the service and they were surprised that I wanted to cancel already! After another 45 minute call they said they are working on more features such as the 2500 being able to use MediaManager! They finally admitted they were at least working on it after I said that both my 2500 boxes have said coming soon for the past 4 months. It appears that this is kind of a limited feature release, and are seeing how this goes before adding more. This is okay with me just as long as I know that down the road the 2500 will be able to use MediaManager. |
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Nezmo
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join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
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KenAF
join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
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The QIP6416-1 converts HD content to SD on the fly!
It doesn't convert the original signal. It reduces the resolution inside its MP@HL HD digital video processor for output via s-video. This occurs at the last possible second in the chain, just before it is output to TV.
The original MPEG-2 program stream, whether it is SD or HD, is the only thing stored as a "file" on the box, and that "file" is the only thing the box or any other can stream via networking. The SD boxes don't have the HD video decoders and memory necessary to play back HD program files. The SD boxes can only play SD MPEG-2 files, and the DVR has no way to convert the HD MPEG-2 files stored on the hard drive into SD MPEG-2 files for transfer.
To think of it another way. You have two computers, a new 3.0GHZ PC and an old 200MHz PC. With the 3.0GHz PC, you can play a 1080p movie file from the Apple Quicktime site. It takes about the same processing power whether you play it full-screen on a 24" monitor or in a small window on a 14" monitor. However, you can't watch that 1080p movie file on the 200MHz PC in any usable form no matter how small you resize it with your mouse. |
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TexasAg1996
join:2006-01-05
Dallas, TX | reply to bgtimber75
Seeing as how these are rented boxes (unlike Tivos and older DirecTV equipment, we don't own them) and we agreed not to tamper with them when they were installed, I suspect it will be a VERY long time before people hack them. |
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mlkeller
join:2005-03-19
Herndon, VA | reply to KenAF
So, does anyone in the know have an idea when they will support the HD receiver being a client for the MRDVR? That basically kills the deal for me that it only works with the 2500  |
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Johny H
join:2005-04-14
Woburn, MA | mlkeller
My last call with them he made mention of the support of the HD receiver being tested. Take that for what it's worth. It looks like it's back to the waiting game again for the features we wanted to be added. |
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KenAF
join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
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So, does anyone in the know have an idea when they will support the HD receiver being a client for the MRDVR? That basically kills the deal for me that it only works with the 2500
In trials, MoCA has been found capable of 100Mbps, so it has more than sufficient capacity to support it.
Whether some of the older routers can handle the HD video streaming, I do not know. Certainly, the Actiontec router was designed with this in mind. |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| said by KenAF  :In trials, MoCA has been found capable of 100Mbps, so it has more than sufficient capacity to support it. Whether some of the older routers can handle the HD video streaming, I do not know. Certainly, the Actiontec router was designed with this in mind. The router doesn't enter into the equation for MRDVR since the data is contained entirely on the coax. The router performance could impact HD VOD, but that is a different issue.
A much more likely limiting factor is the hard drive performance in the DVR. In the worst case scenario (well, at least worst case until PIP is enabled) you could be trying to simultaneously record two HD programs and watch two HD recordings, one locally and the other on a slave box. This means that the hard drive needs to support random access to four HD MPEG2 streams simultaneously. This may be quite a challenge. |
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ggpipe
join:2005-08-10
Plano, TX
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How do you even find a rep that can order the service? I have talked to several reps and they all don't know what the hell I am talking about and tell me they need to get back to me and then they don't.
Why doesn't Verizon train their reps before they bring out a new service? Geeez! |
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Nezmo
The name's Bond. James Bond.
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join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
| said by ggpipe :How do you even find a rep that can order the service? I have talked to several reps and they all don't know what the hell I am talking about and tell me they need to get back to me and then they don't. Why doesn't Verizon train their reps before they bring out a new service? Geeez! My rep told me at first it was not available but I politely advised the message had changed on the STB. She took 5 secs to check her email and she said 'ok' and we got the order done.
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ptbarnett
join:2002-09-30
Plano, TX
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I called to upgrade my service as soon as I saw this thread. FIOS customer service knew what I wanted and took care of it. There was only a slight delay (couple of minutes) while she verified something, but I don't know what the issue was. Service was enabled by the time I hung up the phone. She mentioned the Media Manager, but I said I had already found it and downloaded it.
I have 6416-2 (HD-DVR) and 2500-2 (SD) STB's. I verified that I could use the 2500 to play an SD program recorded on the 6416. I don't have any recorded HD content at the moment, but know that it's not supported. However, I'm curious if the 2500 would display the HD entry, but flag it as "unavailable".
Next, I installed Media Manager. I had to delete the extra folders it made of images that it found in my browser cache. Displayed a few images and confirmed that it worked.
I tried to add a (stereo, 44kbps) WAV file to the music library and play it on the 6416 -- horrible skipping occurred. Converted WAV to MP3 at relatively high variable bit rate, and now it plays normally.
The Media Manager is interesting, but I would like to use it to play WMV's or some other video format. The ability to play recorded program from the 6416 on the 2500 is what i really wanted. |
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Nezmo
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join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
| said by ptbarnett :...I don't have any recorded HD content at the moment, but know that it's not supported. However, I'm curious if the 2500 would display the HD entry, but flag it as "unavailable". It's tells you no when you try to play one of the HD recordings.
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raw777
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What a colossal cluster f@$k! I mean first it is $20/mo vs $13 for the regular DVR, then it doesn't work with the HD STB only the SD STB and to cap it all off it doesn't even get a bigger hard drive! Someone at Verizon needs to put the crack pipe down and step away from the controls! |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
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We'll got home to play with it.
First impression was that it brought up the listings faster than the dvr did.
Then I noticed issues.
You cannot fast foward. Why that's not supported considering that you can do it with VOD content is beyond me. So now I'm forced to watch commercials.
Media manager is worthless since we dont run a Windows pc regularly here. It would have been better to make it interface with iTunes then perhaps it would have worked for windows and OS X.
So it's great I can watch recorded content (At least hbo does not do commercials), but I dont believe the 6 dollar increase justifies the cost at all.
I'll keep it until Tivo releases the Series III.
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Nezmo
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| said by NOCMan :You cannot fast foward. Why that's not supported considering that you can do it with VOD content is beyond me. So now I'm forced to watch commercials. You may have an issue. I am able to fast forward.
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ptbarnett
join:2002-09-30
Plano, TX
| said by Nezmo :said by NOCMan :You cannot fast foward. Why that's not supported considering that you can do it with VOD content is beyond me. So now I'm forced to watch commercials. You may have an issue. I am able to fast forward. I hadn't tried fast-forward until now. My experience is the same as NOCMan's: fast forward doesn't work. I get the circle/slash in the upper right corner, and playback pauses. Hitting play again restarts the program. |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
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said by Nezmo :said by NOCMan :You cannot fast foward. Why that's not supported considering that you can do it with VOD content is beyond me. So now I'm forced to watch commercials. You may have an issue. I am able to fast forward. Sure you're talking about mrdvr viewing or vod viewing.. we know vod can be fast fowarded.. MRDVR content cant.
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