Johny H
join:2005-04-14
Woburn, MA
| ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! Well I was able to place the order and am waiting for the order to go through. It is $19.95 up from $12.95. They are using the same box that we have now, at first he thought they had to swap the box. There is also a new version on the MediaManager software. As I am typing this they have activated it, I will post again after I play! | |
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join:2006-05-24
Williamsburg, VA | Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! Lucky TX and Mass. | |
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jfoj
join:2005-05-06
Mclean, VA | I have a new install in VA for tomorrow that will have a DVR, so I will see what they are providing.
Did you place the order for the MRDVR? or did they show up with it?
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Nezmo
The name's Bond. James Bond.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
2 edits | The cost is disappointing.
So it seems the HD non-DVR box is not supported yet.
And it's really annoying that Media Manager is only available if you subscribe to the MRDVR option. | |
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 | KenAF
join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
| Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! Johny,
Can you see if they updated your guild build or build type? Are you still running guide build 1.3.09 with type DCT-FE-1.7H, as listed under the menu -> settings -> diagnostics page?
I have to agree that $19.95/mo is disappointing if multiroom functionality was the -only change- added. Tivo charges $12.99/mo and that price includes multiroom functionality and a lot more. IMO, $14.95-16.95/mo would have been more reasonable. | |
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jfoj
join:2005-05-06
Mclean, VA | I felt the same way initially about the cost, but is is cheaper than 2 separate DVR's.
The issue with 2 separate DVR's is you probably get more storage space, but less convenience.
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Shaggy2002
join:2003-01-28
Denton, TX
| HEHE...AGAIN....if you only have 160 GB Drive to share for multiple rooms this is a complete waste. I rather pay my $26 and get 320 GB of space. I also think it is a waste if the Hub DVR can only talk to SD STBs and not other DVRS.
Speaking of TIVO, whatever happened to those rumors that Verizon and Tivo were working together? Although they could be just rumors, its almost fun to have wishful thinking. | |
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Nezmo
The name's Bond. James Bond.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
1 edit | On the phone now ordering. There is some confusion - they are telling me I need new boxes for this. She is checking.
EDIT: All cleared-up. She misunderstood her instructions.
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| Johny H
join:2005-04-14
Woburn, MA
| Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! They tried to tell me I needed a new box also! But when they went to put the order in it was then they realized that it works on the 6426 box. The box is still on May 18 version 17.10 build. The thing that I am very, very, disappointed in is MediaManager is only supported on the silver 6426 box! I am considering cancelling based on that if they do not plan on supporting MediaManager on the other boxes. | |
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KenAF
join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
| Johny,
What version is your older box? Do you have a QIP6416 or QIP6416-2?
Obviously, they are constrained by the processor and memory of the boxes. Some older models simply may not have the processor and memory capacity to support the new software. | |
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join:2005-04-14
Woburn, MA | Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! Sorry yes it is the QIP6416-1. | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| I was not aware of a bigger capacity box.. we've been cutting back on HD recordings.. gonna have to upgrade there
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HatXTrick
join:2005-03-07
Plano, TX
| On the phone ordering now, CSR is telling me that this requires a tech visit? I thought this is just a software push, if you already have the hardware ( HD-DVR + 2 SD STB's.
OK after CSR checked with her manager IT IS a software push.
also told me to go to www.verizon.com/mediamanager to up date the Media Manager software.
I do agree with Nezmo and Shaggy the cost and lack of drive space is disappointing.
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| lcrowe
join:2001-04-14
Wylie, TX | Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! It's also disapointing that it will only work with the 2500 box... | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX | Order completed..
Media Manager also avail. | |
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Johny H
join:2005-04-14
Woburn, MA
| After speaking with 6 different reps, MediaManager will not be supported on the 2500's. Now and no plans for the future! I let them know that I will probably be cancelling this feature. And I also have 5 other friends that were looking forward to the MediaManger that have FIOS! | |
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Johny H
join:2005-04-14
Woburn, MA | Also if a show was recorded from a high def channel you can not view that recording at all on a 2500! I was going to see how things worked out but screw this, I am cancelling today! | |
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| TexasAg1996
join:2006-01-05
Dallas, TX | Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! All I can say is, wow... See ya. | |
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Teasip
join:2001-05-14
Plano, TX
| Well, leave it to me to rain on my own parade. I'm also in Plano and I called to mod. my order for next week to one HD box and one MRDVR. The guy I spoke with said they just put a "stop order" on the option for N. Texas. Who knows why. He went ahead and put it on the order so the installer would see what it was I was actually wanting. Guess I'll wait and see. | |
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| FlyingPhotog
join:2006-08-15
Carrollton, TX | Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! Teasip did you get your new MRDVR order straightened out? I live over in Carrollton. Signed up for Fios last night. Today (8/15) I found out about the MRDVR offering. Called and modified my order and was told no problem. | |
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Ronnie1055
Premium
join:2004-06-25
Carrollton, TX | Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! OK Guys... just ordered Media Manager. I have looked through the various posts and have not found an answer to my question... Must you use the Verizon Supplied Router???
I can only see my PC on the TV... nothing else. | |
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Ronnie1055
Premium
join:2004-06-25
Carrollton, TX
| Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! Well... I have found out that it doesn't make any difference on changing the router. I can still only see my PC. I have reset everything... still nothing.
Not really interested in just seeing pictures from my PC on TV. I will check with FIOS Support and see what they can tell me.
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FiosUserinKeller
@verizon.net | Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! I can't seem to bring up anything different on my 2500's. I called and ordered the MRDVR but how the heck am I supposed to know it's working? | |
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Ronnie1055
Premium
join:2004-06-25
Carrollton, TX
| Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! OK... got it. I spent about 45 minutes on the phone with a FIOS Solutions Tech. I currently have (2) HD DVR's... now one is setup for the Media Manager... I can watch recorded programs from my STB in my daughters bedroom... which has the 2500.
I still have some checking to do... in order for this to really work for me I would need to get rid of my HD DVR in the bedroom and get a standard HD STB. Fun..fun..fun.
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join:2006-02-26
Murrieta, CA
| Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! said by Ronnie1055  :I still have some checking to do... in order for this to really work for me I would need to get rid of my HD DVR in the bedroom and get a standard HD STB. You did not hear? It only works with the 2500. If you read the press release you will notice that they are charging you for a service that is not fully ready to deploy. Hey, that's FiOS TV. | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| Jonny
Did you expect someting different. There are no consumer boxes out there capable of converting HD content to SD resolutions on the fly. There are expensive boxes out there that cost thousands that do it but they're for those who are really anal about their video content.
I dont know why they're not allowing HD to go from the STB to a HD STB or from DVR to DVR. I'm guessing Moca is not all it's cracked up to be.
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| bgtimber75
join:2006-06-23
Columbia, MD | Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! Seriously, when are people going to figure out how to hack these boxes. 160GB isn't nearly enough for one DVR much less multi room. Media Manger should be available for everyone, not just the ones paying for the multi room feature. | |
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| | KenAF
join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
| Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! Like Nocman says, it requires an entirely different kind of decoder (MP@HL) to decode HDTV, which the SD boxes do not have. The SD boxes have a MP@ML decoder.
The SD boxes can't display HD channels now and there's no way for software to change that. | |
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| | TexasAg1996
join:2006-01-05
Dallas, TX | Seeing as how these are rented boxes (unlike Tivos and older DirecTV equipment, we don't own them) and we agreed not to tamper with them when they were installed, I suspect it will be a VERY long time before people hack them. | |
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| Johny H
join:2005-04-14
Woburn, MA
| The QIP6416-1 converts HD content to SD on the fly! Also I went to cancel the service and they were surprised that I wanted to cancel already! After another 45 minute call they said they are working on more features such as the 2500 being able to use MediaManager! They finally admitted they were at least working on it after I said that both my 2500 boxes have said coming soon for the past 4 months. It appears that this is kind of a limited feature release, and are seeing how this goes before adding more. This is okay with me just as long as I know that down the road the 2500 will be able to use MediaManager. | |
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD
| said by NOCMan :There are no consumer boxes out there capable of converting HD content to SD resolutions on the fly. On the contrary, I think every single HD box available can do it on the fly. Granted, I'm talking about analog output. But since there are also devices that can encode analog SD video to MPEG-2 on the fly (like a standalone Tivo), it would be quite easy to put the two together, and get a real-time HD->SD transcoder.
In fact, you can build an HD->SD MRV system yourself: cable box -> Tivo -> Ethernet -> Tivo. | |
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Nezmo
The name's Bond. James Bond.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
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| KenAF
join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
4 edits | Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! quote:
The QIP6416-1 converts HD content to SD on the fly!
It doesn't convert the original signal. It reduces the resolution inside its MP@HL HD digital video processor for output via s-video. This occurs at the last possible second in the chain, just before it is output to TV.
The original MPEG-2 program stream, whether it is SD or HD, is the only thing stored as a "file" on the box, and that "file" is the only thing the box or any other can stream via networking. The SD boxes don't have the HD video decoders and memory necessary to play back HD program files. The SD boxes can only play SD MPEG-2 files, and the DVR has no way to convert the HD MPEG-2 files stored on the hard drive into SD MPEG-2 files for transfer.
To think of it another way. You have two computers, a new 3.0GHZ PC and an old 200MHz PC. With the 3.0GHz PC, you can play a 1080p movie file from the Apple Quicktime site. It takes about the same processing power whether you play it full-screen on a 24" monitor or in a small window on a 14" monitor. However, you can't watch that 1080p movie file on the 200MHz PC in any usable form no matter how small you resize it with your mouse. | |
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| | mlkeller
join:2005-03-19
Herndon, VA | Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! So, does anyone in the know have an idea when they will support the HD receiver being a client for the MRDVR? That basically kills the deal for me that it only works with the 2500  | |
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join:2005-04-14
Woburn, MA | Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! mlkeller
My last call with them he made mention of the support of the HD receiver being tested. Take that for what it's worth. It looks like it's back to the waiting game again for the features we wanted to be added. | |
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KenAF
join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
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So, does anyone in the know have an idea when they will support the HD receiver being a client for the MRDVR? That basically kills the deal for me that it only works with the 2500
In trials, MoCA has been found capable of 100Mbps, so it has more than sufficient capacity to support it.
Whether some of the older routers can handle the HD video streaming, I do not know. Certainly, the Actiontec router was designed with this in mind. | |
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| DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! said by KenAF :In trials, MoCA has been found capable of 100Mbps, so it has more than sufficient capacity to support it. Whether some of the older routers can handle the HD video streaming, I do not know. Certainly, the Actiontec router was designed with this in mind. The router doesn't enter into the equation for MRDVR since the data is contained entirely on the coax. The router performance could impact HD VOD, but that is a different issue.
A much more likely limiting factor is the hard drive performance in the DVR. In the worst case scenario (well, at least worst case until PIP is enabled) you could be trying to simultaneously record two HD programs and watch two HD recordings, one locally and the other on a slave box. This means that the hard drive needs to support random access to four HD MPEG2 streams simultaneously. This may be quite a challenge. | |
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ggpipe
join:2005-08-10
Plano, TX
| How do you even find a rep that can order the service? I have talked to several reps and they all don't know what the hell I am talking about and tell me they need to get back to me and then they don't.
Why doesn't Verizon train their reps before they bring out a new service? Geeez! | |
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Nezmo
The name's Bond. James Bond.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
| Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! said by ggpipe :How do you even find a rep that can order the service? I have talked to several reps and they all don't know what the hell I am talking about and tell me they need to get back to me and then they don't. Why doesn't Verizon train their reps before they bring out a new service? Geeez! My rep told me at first it was not available but I politely advised the message had changed on the STB. She took 5 secs to check her email and she said 'ok' and we got the order done.
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ptbarnett
join:2002-09-30
Plano, TX
| I called to upgrade my service as soon as I saw this thread. FIOS customer service knew what I wanted and took care of it. There was only a slight delay (couple of minutes) while she verified something, but I don't know what the issue was. Service was enabled by the time I hung up the phone. She mentioned the Media Manager, but I said I had already found it and downloaded it.
I have 6416-2 (HD-DVR) and 2500-2 (SD) STB's. I verified that I could use the 2500 to play an SD program recorded on the 6416. I don't have any recorded HD content at the moment, but know that it's not supported. However, I'm curious if the 2500 would display the HD entry, but flag it as "unavailable".
Next, I installed Media Manager. I had to delete the extra folders it made of images that it found in my browser cache. Displayed a few images and confirmed that it worked.
I tried to add a (stereo, 44kbps) WAV file to the music library and play it on the 6416 -- horrible skipping occurred. Converted WAV to MP3 at relatively high variable bit rate, and now it plays normally.
The Media Manager is interesting, but I would like to use it to play WMV's or some other video format. The ability to play recorded program from the 6416 on the 2500 is what i really wanted. | |
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Nezmo
The name's Bond. James Bond.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
| Re: ( TV ) MRDVR is here!! said by ptbarnett :...I don't have any recorded HD content at the moment, but know that it's not supported. However, I'm curious if the 2500 would display the HD entry, but flag it as "unavailable". It's tells you no when you try to play one of the HD recordings.
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raw777
@speakeasy.net
| What a colossal cluster f@$k! I mean first it is $20/mo vs $13 for the regular DVR, then it doesn't work with the HD STB only the SD STB and to cap it all off it doesn't even get a bigger hard drive! Someone at Verizon needs to put the crack pipe down and step away from the controls! | |
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