asdfdfdf
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Re: Like net neutrality proponents don't do the same
Come on guys,. give Tkjunkmail a break.
I often disagree with him but he is a true believer, not a shill. It isn't right to try to blur the distinction. |
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asdfdfdf
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What makes an astroturf organization isn't the existence of some political ties or contributors. If that was the standard, all groups would be tainted and the term would be meaningless. Astroturf groups are for hire PR firms that shield their paid PR campaign behind front groups, designed to look like a grass roots development, rather than a paid PR campaign.
Save the internet is a cluster of groups who came together because they share a common agenda on net neutrality, not because they were hired to do so and not because they were trying to create a front group for funneling lobbying money or trying to mislead the public about their origins.
If we found out that save the internet was created by a PR firm, hired by google and yahoo, who then put together this coalition listing to hide the fact that this was paid PR for google, I would agree with you.
The indications are that this is NOT how save the internet came about.
I wish you could see that trying to blur these distinctions isn't in anyone's long term interest, just as I wish the people who treat you unjustly, on these forums, could understand they aren't doing any of us any favors.
Everyone has this nihilistic tendency to blow confused smoke everywhere. It's a deadly contagion that won't leave anything standing. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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Re: Like net neutrality proponents don't do the same
said by TKJunkMail  :SavetheInternet principles:
No corporation or political party is funding our efforts.
uhhh, I think they mean like, Democratic or Republican. I didn't notice any elected officials on that list.
those connections you have pointed out are correct, but if we looked at the connections on the other side I think we all know what the results would be.
It's a fact that support or opposition of this issue can be divided on ideological, political grounds:
Democrats: pro-consumer, pro-competition (because it's good for customers)
Republicans: pro-business, anti-competition (because business doesn't like it)
the grassroots is fighting fire with fire |
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TKJunkMail
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said by braynes :"Seriously, though, what's questionable about their contributors?" Yes I would like to know which one offended you or who are you elude to? Bruce SavetheInternet principles:
No corporation or political party is funding our efforts.
Now lets look at some of the contributors:
ACLU of Iowa & American Civil Liberties Union - heavily funded by Democratic contributors
Common Cause - Link to controlling board. Notice all the media members and content providers on the board.
»www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?···b=203884
Democrats.com »www.democrats.com/
Moveon.org Paid for by MoveOn.org Political Action. Funded by George Soros and his investment empire.
»www.moveon.org/about.html
Reclaim the media - dominated by content providers and political operatives
»reclaimthemedia.org/about_rtm
And more and more. »www.savetheinternet.com/=members I don't feel like going site by site and spending hours digging out the real behind the scenes funding for every name in the list. Feel free if you want to.
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | reply to grandpinaple
apples and oranges. tkjunkmail is pro cable/telco, anti consumer/middle class typical bbr user. |
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broadbander
join:2005-07-21
Brooklyn, NY | reply to TKJunkMail
I assumed he was being sarcastic ... |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | reply to kamm
Glad to see the trolls still hang arround these threads. I'm pretty sure Tk isn't a cable shill considering many of his pro telco posts. |
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braynes
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join:2005-03-14
Waterville, ME | reply to TKJunkMail
"Seriously, though, what's questionable about their contributors?"
Yes I would like to know which one offended you or who are you elude to?
Bruce |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
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said by TKJunkMail :Check out who contributes to » www.savetheinternet.com/ . Some real astroturfing going on by the contributors to this organization. you mean some grassrooting, don't you?
The industry group, "hands off the internet", certainly meets the definition of astroturfing, but "save the internet" actually IS a grass roots group.
With few exceptions, "hands off" is telecom companies, telecom orgs or telecom lobbying/front groups; "save" includes public groups, churches, companies, individuals, unions, etc. - looks grass roots to me. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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said by rit56 :tkjunkmail is an industry shill. That's correct actually - he's from the other side, from the cable industry, the enemy of the telcos.
It's pretty funny to look up his older posts WRT cable-related lobbying... |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | reply to vpoko
tkjunkmail is an industry shill. |
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vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA
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Wow, the Parent's Television Council... I would have thought they would equate net neutrality with pornography and come out against.
Seriously, though, what's questionable about their contributors? |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ | Check out who contributes to »www.savetheinternet.com/ .
Some real astroturfing going on by the contributors to this organization. |
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