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oliphant
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Still fairly generous...

If Verizon is capping at around 10GB that is still pretty generous and they should simply advertise it as such rather than lie in their advertising.

Unlimited = unlimited

Anything less than unlimited is a lie and Verizon should be held accountable for their deceptive advertising practices.

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Re: Still fairly generous...

said by oliphant See Profile :

Anything less than unlimited is a lie and Verizon should be held accountable for their deceptive advertising practices.
Agreed... the FTC needs to better enforce existing laws against this sort of false advertising.
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Re: Still fairly generous...

SPRINT!!!!!!!

Enough said
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I thought deregulation was the key? Let the private enterprises do what they are doing since governments obviously can't do a better job?

Changing sides much?

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Re: Still fairly generous...

said by JazzJRabbit See Profile :

I thought deregulation was the key? Let the private enterprises do what they are doing since governments obviously can't do a better job?

Changing sides much?
Huh?

There are laws against false advertising and there are government agencies that are tasked with enforcing these laws. Verizon cannot legally advertise a service as being "unlimited" and then impose some sort of limit. Either Verizon should make it very clear in the advertising what the limit is, or simply stop using the word "Unlimited."
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Re: Still fairly generous...

said by pnh102 See Profile :

Huh?

There are laws against false advertising and there are government agencies that are tasked with enforcing these laws. Verizon cannot legally advertise a service as being "unlimited" and then impose some sort of limit. Either Verizon should make it very clear in the advertising what the limit is, or simply stop using the word "Unlimited."
OK, let me be crystal clear since you are going to be running around the isuue forever otherwise. You've made your entire point yesterday (see here »Seize the Incumbent Networks) that government cannot do anything effectively, be it public schools, amtrak, securing borders, social security/welfare services or even interstate highways. And you argued profusely that businesses know best and that "The assumption that government control of the Internet would result in decent service & competitive business is wrong". You said it just yesterday. So why are you turning to the government now to regulate the industry? I thought that "anything good that happens in this country is the result of hard working people and elbow grease, not the government". So why not let the hard working people of verizon (with some help from uncle sam elbow grease) handle the issue? Why do you want government to intervene now if they can't get anything right?

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Re: Still fairly generous...

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So why are you turning to the government now to regulate the industry?
The last i checked, the government is charged with enforcing the law. This is not done by private companies.

And again, you've proven my point about how badly the government is doing a job of that when it doesn't even enforce the laws on the books.

Asking that the government simply do the job it is supposed to be doing is not the same as saying that the government should not usurp ownership of a private industry.
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Re: Still fairly generous...

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The last i checked, the government is charged with enforcing the law. This is not done by private companies.

And again, you've proven my point about how badly the government is doing a job of that when it doesn't even enforce the laws on the books.

Asking that the government simply do the job it is supposed to be doing is not the same as saying that the government should not usurp ownership of a private industry.
Actually the government is charged with both enforcing and creating the laws. So it is all the same, whether is's enforcing already exhisting laws or creating new ones to ensure competition and fair business practices.

Keeping what I just wrote in mind, let me rephrase it once again. Your point in the thread yesterday was that since government cannot do its job effectively we should let the private enterprise roam free without ANY regulation. It is what you said yesterday and I quoted you twice on this matter. And this news piece shows exactly what would happen if you completely removed government regulation. So why are you suddenly all for government intervention now? Is there any pattern as to how and whn you switch sides?
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Re: Still fairly generous...

Government regulation of an industry and enforcing laws that protect consumers from false advertising are two separate things. Once that is understood you'll realize that he's not flip flopping on anything.
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Enforcing existing laws regarding deceptive practices does not equal confiscating private networks and having the government run them.

He's very consistent.
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said by JazzJRabbit See Profile :

said by pnh102 See Profile :

Huh?

There are laws against false advertising and there are government agencies that are tasked with enforcing these laws. Verizon cannot legally advertise a service as being "unlimited" and then impose some sort of limit. Either Verizon should make it very clear in the advertising what the limit is, or simply stop using the word "Unlimited."
OK, let me be crystal clear since you are going to be running around the isuue forever otherwise. You've made your entire point yesterday (see here »Seize the Incumbent Networks) that government cannot do anything effectively, be it public schools, amtrak, securing borders, social security/welfare services or even interstate highways. And you argued profusely that businesses know best and that "The assumption that government control of the Internet would result in decent service & competitive business is wrong". You said it just yesterday. So why are you turning to the government now to regulate the industry? I thought that "anything good that happens in this country is the result of hard working people and elbow grease, not the government". So why not let the hard working people of verizon (with some help from uncle sam elbow grease) handle the issue? Why do you want government to intervene now if they can't get anything right?
I suppose I could let pnh102 answer for himself, but I MUST say something. You clearly dont have any idea about, well, anything! Citizens and private companies cant enforce laws (unless they are deputized, and thats another discussion) so your argument makes no sense. Citizens and companies follow/obey laws, government creates/enforces laws. Get it? Good! Your post is so dumb I dont even know why I am responding, but I am really looking out for you. You are only going to dig yourself deeper into a hole if you keep adding to this "argument" of yours.
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Re: Still fairly generous...

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

I suppose I could let pnh102 answer for himself, but I MUST say something. You clearly dont have any idea about, well, anything! Citizens and private companies cant enforce laws (unless they are deputized, and thats another discussion) so your argument makes no sense. Citizens and companies follow/obey laws, government creates/enforces laws. Get it? Good! Your post is so dumb I dont even know why I am responding, but I am really looking out for you. You are only going to dig yourself deeper into a hole if you keep adding to this "argument" of yours.
What I'm arguing with pnh is not enforcing the laws, this is just the context, it's his position. One day he argues for complete removal of any government oversight and the next day he is all for government intervention. So, who is dumb now? You.

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Re: Still fairly generous...

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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

I suppose I could let pnh102 answer for himself, but I MUST say something. You clearly dont have any idea about, well, anything! Citizens and private companies cant enforce laws (unless they are deputized, and thats another discussion) so your argument makes no sense. Citizens and companies follow/obey laws, government creates/enforces laws. Get it? Good! Your post is so dumb I dont even know why I am responding, but I am really looking out for you. You are only going to dig yourself deeper into a hole if you keep adding to this "argument" of yours.
What I'm arguing with pnh is not enforcing the laws, this is just the context, it's his position. One day he argues for complete removal of any government oversight and the next day he is all for government intervention. So, who is dumb now? You.
Government oversight and law enforcement are two totally different things, and can't be compared in any way. I see that you are trying to challenge his position on something, but you could not have picked a worse exaple. Bad choice. Your comments make you "look" as if you dont know what you are talking about, and your continued arguing makes it "seem" that might actually be the case.....
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Oh brother. Pnh didn't say he's "all for" anything. Nice try though. Well actually it wasn't...rather it was very weak.

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Verizon has been able to do what it wants. I was an early Verizon DSL customer. For years they ran ads saying "always on, no dialing" for their DSL. The package came with Verizon DSL Dialer software and I had to use the Dialer in order to connect. And I was not always on...I was on and off all the time.

How's that for false advertising?

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said by JazzJRabbit See Profile :

...since the government obviously can't do a better job?
Can't or won't?

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said by JazzJRabbit See Profile :

I thought deregulation was the key? Let the private enterprises do what they are doing since governments obviously can't do a better job?

Changing sides much?
What?? False advertising and deregulation are two very, very different things. Perhaps you should read up on the two totally unrelated topics before you make fun off someone's comments.
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Deregulation != Allowing False Advertising

While businesses have the freedom to run themselves, freedom itself is limited. If it is to be considered unlimited, it ceases to be freedom and instead is license, the ability to do whatever the heck you want to do whenever you feel like doing it (i.e. "freedom of expression") and that is not permitted within the Constitution of the United States of America. If a business decides that it will falsely advertise its products and services, then the legal system comes into play. If a business decides to cut back on salaries, government has no authority to do anything. The ability to respond to that is reserved by the people and the only way the government can respond is by controlling them, where they work and what they do, which is Marxism.

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said by oliphant See Profile :

If Verizon is capping at around 10GB that is still pretty generous and they should simply advertise it as such rather than lie in their advertising.

Unlimited = unlimited

Anything less than unlimited is a lie and Verizon should be held accountable for their deceptive advertising practices.
They do tell subscribers about the caps in the sign-up agreements. But I agree that they shouldn't use the word unlimited in advertising if they want to keep the customers happy.
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Re: Still fairly generous...

I had the plan and there were no actual caps stated in my service agreement...only the ambiguous don't kill our network speak. But they didn't advertise a don't kill our network plan...they advertised and sold me on an unlimited plan.

They, like many operators before them (eg Comcast) want their cake and eat it too...bait and switch. Comcast changed their advertising away from unlimited and Verizon should do it to.

Verizon's offering is still a fair deal. IOW, it's good enough that VZ doesn't have to lie about it in order to sell it.
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