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Re: don't stifle it...
said by kamm  :Well, that's what called limited abilities when it comes to abstractions - I don't need to see it to understand a fairly primitive underlying idea... Really? You sure don't seem to understand the fairly primitive idea of remote storage; IE: the idea that data stored on a hard drive on a computer somewhere far away doesn't just go poof if network connecting the two gets severed temporarily.
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Grail Knight
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It's just giuves them full control over your content.
Seems to me they already have control over the content.
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logically the next step will be when you'll be charged if you want to save it to your VCR/DVDR/etc.
Don't blame them if it happens blame the ones stealing the content that forced their hand.
Their content to do as they like. You the consumer just pay to view it. There is no god given right that says you are allowed to copy it and have it forever.
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said by yabos :I really can't see how this is any better than the DVR, except they can now record how many times you view a tv show. It is cheaper to provide DVR functionality on a server to many more users than by rolling out $500 to $750 plus STB's. And they can do it a cheaper price to the consumer, thereby getting more users to sign up for DVR services.
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bbenso1
join:2004-11-28
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said by phattieg :Try having your hard drive fry in your REAL DVR, and then swapping it only to find all your content gone. This sucks, especially considering you paid additional to be able to have DVR. Maybe you should have backed up some of that content if you didn't want a hardware failure to wipe it out.
said by phattieg :I think you guys fighting this are all just mad because you had suck experiences with Video on Demand type services I haven't had any problems with VOD type services. But I have had problems where the cable is out so I'd like to watch something previously recorded only to find out that I can't watch it because the DVR can't sync with the headend so it won't let me do ANYTHING. This is the same problem you'll have when they move all the recordings to the headend instead of local to your system. Of course, after I had this problem I built a MythTV box so now I don't have to rely on the crappy cable system to watch my recordings.
said by phattieg :and think they are taking control away from you. The control is still in your hands, you can still record whatever you want. Geez. Umm, they ARE taking control away from us. The difference is that you don't see that because when you click the 'Record This' button THEIR server happily says 'OK, that's fine, I'll record this for you'. But don't think for a second that that won't change sometime in the future. It's only a matter of time until they decide that you shouldn't be able to record the final episode of Lost or American Idol or whatever. And since the recording is taking place on THEIR system at the headend it's nearly trivial for them to change the system so when you click the 'Record This' button you get a message that says "We're sorry, but the creator of this program has decided that we cannot allow you record this episode. It's too bad you let us take control away from you when we did. Now we've got it and you're screwed. Have a nice day." |
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said by kamm :said by yabos :I really can't see how this is any better than the DVR, except they can now record how many times you view a tv show. That's the point: it isn't better at all.It's just giuves them full control over your content. logically the next step will be when you'll be charged if you want to save it to your VCR/DVDR/etc. Try having your hard drive fry in your REAL DVR, and then swapping it only to find all your content gone. This sucks, especially considering you paid additional to be able to have DVR. I think the possibility of VOD related glitches may make it a little less fast in response to using a hard drive based DVR service, but all content could be viewed in any room of the house that has a box, and the provider could upgrade storage availability simply by adding equipment in the head end and the provisioning the boxes to use it. I think you guys fighting this are all just mad because you had suck experiences with Video on Demand type services, and think they are taking control away from you. The control is still in your hands, you can still record whatever you want. Geez. 
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Cheese
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2 edits | reply to RARPSL
said by RARPSL :said by Cheese :Since he is ignored, and I can see what you quoted, he fails, again to understand, that if it's stored on their servers, and the line gets cuts, it's still on their servers. And unless someone wants to correct me, I don't think you are going to lose anything if a line just happens to get cut. If you line is cut (or the connection is down), you have lost ACCESS to the recorded content until the connection is restored. With a DVR, you can still play/view what was recorded and stored on the DVR's Hard Drive. To that extent, he is correct that you've lost [access to] your recordings. Yes, but he is saying your stored stuff will be lost, which is not true. The information is still on their servers, and once your connection is restored your information will be there. And yes, having it local is better, but some people will enjoy this as it should eliminate one extra box in their home setup.
Oh damn, no reply from SKamm? I must have shot down his theory again. Not that it matters as I can't see what the genius has to say anyway. Damn, hate when that happens. |
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fiberguy
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I have to agree with you. This is actually studio friendly. Further, it IS still a DVR. The *AAs are idiots in thinking they have a chance to pull off this legal battle. I think in the end, we will shelve THIS case up with the Beta, VHS, laser disc, and everything else they have tried to block.
It's nothing more than DVR is today, only, think of it as being in "another room"...
But, if they want to spend their money on attorneys, more power to them. I think they are going to loose.
You know, it's getting to the point where when you get a paycheck, it might as well be direct deposited to the banks by default.. half of your check goes to the oil/energy companies and the other half to the *AAs. SEems they are the ones wanting most, er, feeling like they deserve all th emoney now adays. |
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RARPSL
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said by Cheese :Since he is ignored, and I can see what you quoted, he fails, again to understand, that if it's stored on their servers, and the line gets cuts, it's still on their servers. And unless someone wants to correct me, I don't think you are going to lose anything if a line just happens to get cut. If you line is cut (or the connection is down), you have lost ACCESS to the recorded content until the connection is restored. With a DVR, you can still play/view what was recorded and stored on the DVR's Hard Drive. To that extent, he is correct that you've lost [access to] your recordings. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
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said by yabos :I really can't see how this is any better than the DVR, except they can now record how many times you view a tv show. That's the point: it isn't better at all.
It's just giuves them full control over your content. logically the next step will be when you'll be charged if you want to save it to your VCR/DVDR/etc. |
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kamm
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said by qdemn7 :said by Cheese :Yes, I would expect the line to be fixed but that information on their servers would not be affected as someone would like to claim. Sure, sure, and I don't understand his opposition to this, either. At least 3 people explained to you already, it's not our problem anymore... |
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kamm
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1 edit | reply to Cheese
said by Cheese :Since he is ignored, and I can see what you quoted, he fails, again to understand, that if it's stored on their servers, and the line gets cuts, it's still on their servers. LOL 
Ummm kid it's you who - as usually - fails to understand that it is the problem.
And unless someone wants to correct me, I don't think you are going to lose anything if a line just happens to get cut.
Ummm perhaps the access to your movies? 
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kamm
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said by Cheese :said by qdemn7 :said by Cheese :Yes, I would expect the line to be fixed but that information on their servers would not be affected as someone would like to claim. Sure, sure, and I don't understand his opposition to this, either. I don't think anyone understands him or anything he ever says. Yawn. Your usual utter ignorance is kinda boring, kid.
You're confused again: the fact that you cannot grasp something doesn't mean others couldn't either.
In other words it's just you, again - please, crawl back to your cave/basement.
I don't oppose it, but it would be something I think I would need to try first to see if I like it or not as it sounds like a good idea and I would assume it may have much more space as opposed to a box sitting in the living room with a limited HDD.
Well, that's what called limited abilities when it comes to abstractions - I don't need to see it to understand a fairly primitive underlying idea... |
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Cheese
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3 edits | reply to qdemn7
said by qdemn7 :said by Cheese :Yes, I would expect the line to be fixed but that information on their servers would not be affected as someone would like to claim. Sure, sure, and I don't understand his opposition to this, either. I don't think anyone understands him or anything he ever says. I don't oppose it, but it would be something I think I would need to try first to see if I like it or not as it sounds like a good idea and I would assume it may have much more space as opposed to a box sitting in the living room with a limited HDD.
Edit: Seems he can't understand he is on ignore and I can't see what he says, but it shows he replied to me, I am sure, as usual, he has insulted me, once again, showing how utterly ignorant he is. Anyone want to confirm he has insulted me and shown his usual ignorant intelligence? I sure he has said something about my level of education?
And at 40 years old as he claims he is, he sure as hell don't act like he is 40. He acts more like a a child then anything. |
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qdemn7
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said by Cheese :Yes, I would expect the line to be fixed but that information on their servers would not be affected as someone would like to claim. Sure, sure, and I don't understand his opposition to this, either.
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Cheese
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said by qdemn7 :said by Cheese :Since he is ignored, and I can see what you quoted, he fails, again to understand, that if it's stored on their servers, and the line gets cuts, it's still on their servers. And unless someone wants to correct me, I don't think you are going to lose anything if a line just happens to get cut. And even if the line gets cut, they damn well will restore service soon. For all the negatives often posted about Charter here, they have always given me excellent service. I would grade them as an A-. I really don't get why the providers are so up-in-arms, (actually I do, it's all about power). This type of head-end system would give them am extremely accurate profile of what people are watching. If 125K customers in a 500K market record the same program, that gives a good indication of what's popular. Yes, I would expect the line to be fixed but that information on their servers would not be affected as someone would like to claim. |
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qdemn7
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said by Cheese :Since he is ignored, and I can see what you quoted, he fails, again to understand, that if it's stored on their servers, and the line gets cuts, it's still on their servers. And unless someone wants to correct me, I don't think you are going to lose anything if a line just happens to get cut. And even if the line gets cut, they damn well will restore service soon. For all the negatives often posted about Charter here, they have always given me excellent service. I would grade them as an A-.
I really don't get why the providers are so up-in-arms, (actually I do, it's all about power). This type of head-end system would give them am extremely accurate profile of what people are watching. If 125K customers in a 500K market record the same program, that gives a good indication of what's popular.
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Cheese
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said by qdemn7 :said by kamm :said by odog :This is an evolutionary technology they should be promoting it not litigating the only company with the balls to try it. Hardly. The last thing I want is to store my movies on the provider's server. Imagine if a stupid technician, installing for somebody else something, cuts your line - you not only lost your TV bu8t all of your stored stuff, let alone the fact that now they will be in full control. This idiotic idea should die. How is this ANY different from the "On Demand" services. Subscribing to Charter Cable's movie packages (HBO, etc) automatically gets you the ability to watch ANY of HBOs shows on for that month for a set time period, usually 30-60 days, at any time you want. You can treat the movie just like a DVR, pause FF, rewind, etc. The programming is stored on Charter's servers, not HBOs. So what's the difference? Since he is ignored, and I can see what you quoted, he fails, again to understand, that if it's stored on their servers, and the line gets cuts, it's still on their servers. And unless someone wants to correct me, I don't think you are going to lose anything if a line just happens to get cut. |
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Weasel
join:2001-12-18
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This idiotic idea should die.
And a quick death at that. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
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It's different from onDemand because the user has to specify what shows they want recorded. It's a fine line but in essence the user still having to manually hit the record button means it's still a dvr and it's not ondemand. And supposedly you can store shows as long as you want, until you choose to delete them. And you have a storage limit. Honestly the media companies should love this. It ensures they can enforce copy protections and time limits on recordings. Unlike stand alone dvrs. |
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achuchma
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said by yabos :I really can't see how this is any better than the DVR, except they can now record how many times you view a tv show. They can do that now, and probably do.
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