manfmmd
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Earth
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Re: We are getting there
Broadband, if considered a utility (as many here think), is very reasonable when compared to telephone, gas, electric, water & sewer, etc. Price is no longer a reason, for most people, not to get a broadband internet connection. "Availability" and "need" are the prime factors.
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tsu
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
| When we're talking about the nation's poorer subscribers, yes, price is the prime factor. Broadband is still around double the cost of dialup, so many ask, "Why do we need to spend more for something we already have?" if they have it at all.
If it were considered a utility, the whole game would change. But, currently, it is not. |
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Michieru
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
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"Broadband, if considered a utility"
It's considered a utility for a business, not for a customer.
"Price is no longer a reason, for most people, not to get a broadband internet connection. "Availability" and "need" are the prime factors."
No, just stop there broadband's average price is around 30-50 dollars.
Dialup average is around 10-19 dollars.
To someone who lives off a low income everything they have is looked upon as highly valuable, especially when it comes to money so while it does not look like much a difference to someone who has a normal or high income, for someone with low income it really does.
Price is still one of the main factors, availability is another. Need is not a prime factor because when I had dialup I learned to be patient, please don't confuse need from want.
Broadband is only needed to those who use applications that require such speeds. It's a luxury to the user like a car instead of driving a Meetro he/she wants a Dodge Viper. |
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manfmmd
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[rant on]
Are these the same "poorer subscribers" that are driving around Escalades and buying their food with food stamps? Collecting wages "under the table" and collecting welfare? Having more children than they can support? Please!
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tsu
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | No.
You sure have some funny ideas of what "poor" means, and I'm sure some people abuse a system that means well, but I was talking about the honest folks that have inexpensive dial-up, as that is all their budget can possibly allow. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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said by Michieru  :"Broadband, if considered a utility" It's considered a utility for a business, not for a customer. "Price is no longer a reason, for most people, not to get a broadband internet connection. "Availability" and "need" are the prime factors." No, just stop there broadband's average price is around 30-50 dollars. Dialup average is around 10-19 dollars. To someone who lives off a low income everything they have is looked upon as highly valuable, especially when it comes to money so while it does not look like much a difference to someone who has a normal or high income, for someone with low income it really does. Price is still one of the main factors, availability is another. Need is not a prime factor because when I had dialup I learned to be patient, please don't confuse need from want. Broadband is only needed to those who use applications that require such speeds. It's a luxury to the user like a car instead of driving a Meetro he/she wants a Dodge Viper. It's sheer stupidity and narrow mindedness to deny the fact that internet IS a utility.
It serves nothing but helps the greedy cable cos to maintain the current status quo, their high prices yet ridiculously slow upload speeds, keeping users miserably clueless, resulting falling competitiveness.
This is exactly the kind of mindset that resulted our shitty broadband speeds, high prices, laughable cable upload speeds etc etc, all together our pathetic ~16th place in the world when it comes to broadband. |
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Michieru
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Miami, FL | Then please explain in detail on how is Broadband in fact a utility. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| said by Michieru :Then please explain in detail on how is Broadband in fact a utility. ? Explain how it isn't... |
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Michieru
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EDIT: "It's sheer stupidity and narrow mindedness to deny the fact that internet IS a utility."
I take that as your saying im narrow minded and denying the fact that internet IS a utility, so your stating that in fact the internet itself is a utility.
If that's not what you mean't please elaborate. |
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Michieru
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While that was not directed to me I understand how you feel on this one.
There shall be abusers to the system in any level. I know this for a fact because we see it every day, instead of cutting off welfare and other services I believe the services provide should be strict for the intended purposes.
One example is instead of giving out checks which people can cash into there accounts let the government give out debit cards but they also must use a certain amount on food and clothing, utility bills and with a small amount for misc items.
There are other ways to solve this instead of just cutting it off like that idiotic politician on CNN said. The system must be more strict and give out the money to the people who really need it.
Also some people have more than just one child some could have 2,3 even 4 or more there first time. It's not something the parents probably would not of known until it was too late.
So that last sentence was ignorant at best. |
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raderator
join:2003-07-22
Conklin, NY
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said by tsu :Broadband is still around double the cost of dialup, There are many dialups for $5 »www.freedomlist.com/ |
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older dog
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join:2005-06-09
Norwich, NY | I guess it depends on where you live, cheapest dialup is about $20.00 where I live.
Broadband is somewhere in the $30.00 range with a package deal |
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NDPTAL85
join:2002-01-23
Boston, MA
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The last sentence wasn't ignorant. Twins are rare, triplets rarer and quadruplets are rarer still and the original poster surely wasn't talking about these cases. He was talking about people who have 4 or 5 kids, all years apart from each other when they're poor and can't afford to take care of ONE kid. In addition to that, even the poor get sonograms and would know well before the birth of those kids if they were carrying multiples or not and at that point have the option of selectively aborting.
So they have many options, they're just too stupid to use them. |
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NDPTAL85
join:2002-01-23
Boston, MA
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Broadband never was a utility.
A utility is something you need to remain alive. Water, heat, gas, electricity all run appliances that keep us warm, keep our food from spoiling, allow us to cook our food, and allow us to have indoor plumbing to remove human wastes from our home and reduce the incidence of disease.
Now its up to you to explain just exactly someone would die from lack of internet access? |
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Michieru
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Miami, FL | reply to NDPTAL85
Re: We are getting there
"even the poor get sonograms"
If they have health care sure, if not they need to pay $300 for one. |
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