TK Junk Mail
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Margate City, NJ
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Re: We are getting there
said by Transmaster  :All you have to do to see this is download a file on a P2P, or Bit torrent. In the old Napster days I though I was in hog heaven with a 10mbps download, I now see transfers of upwards of 200mbps, and I think nothing of grabbing a 2 gig file this would have been a pipe dream in the old days. We sure are getting there. Many think we are falling behind. But it is more that many people aren't really interested in broadband because they have no need for it. Many of those on dial-up are only on that because their relatives browbeat them into getting an email address. As the older generation dies off and the younger generation get jobs and homes, broadband will continue to expand at a natural rate.
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tsu
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Wheeling, IL | Many people can't justify the price, but wouldn't mind broadband one bit. |
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manfmmd
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| Broadband, if considered a utility (as many here think), is very reasonable when compared to telephone, gas, electric, water & sewer, etc. Price is no longer a reason, for most people, not to get a broadband internet connection. "Availability" and "need" are the prime factors.
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tsu
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Wheeling, IL
| When we're talking about the nation's poorer subscribers, yes, price is the prime factor. Broadband is still around double the cost of dialup, so many ask, "Why do we need to spend more for something we already have?" if they have it at all.
If it were considered a utility, the whole game would change. But, currently, it is not. |
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Michieru
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Miami, FL | reply to TK Junk Mail
We are not falling behind, we are catching up. |
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Michieru
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"Broadband, if considered a utility"
It's considered a utility for a business, not for a customer.
"Price is no longer a reason, for most people, not to get a broadband internet connection. "Availability" and "need" are the prime factors."
No, just stop there broadband's average price is around 30-50 dollars.
Dialup average is around 10-19 dollars.
To someone who lives off a low income everything they have is looked upon as highly valuable, especially when it comes to money so while it does not look like much a difference to someone who has a normal or high income, for someone with low income it really does.
Price is still one of the main factors, availability is another. Need is not a prime factor because when I had dialup I learned to be patient, please don't confuse need from want.
Broadband is only needed to those who use applications that require such speeds. It's a luxury to the user like a car instead of driving a Meetro he/she wants a Dodge Viper. |
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tsu
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | reply to Michieru
We honestly shouldn't be "catching up." |
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Michieru
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Miami, FL | We are better off catching up than just sitting like a deadstick. |
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manfmmd
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April 27th, @02:15PM
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[rant on]
Are these the same "poorer subscribers" that are driving around Escalades and buying their food with food stamps? Collecting wages "under the table" and collecting welfare? Having more children than they can support? Please!
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tsu
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | No.
You sure have some funny ideas of what "poor" means, and I'm sure some people abuse a system that means well, but I was talking about the honest folks that have inexpensive dial-up, as that is all their budget can possibly allow. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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said by TK Junk Mail :said by Transmaster :All you have to do to see this is download a file on a P2P, or Bit torrent. In the old Napster days I though I was in hog heaven with a 10mbps download, I now see transfers of upwards of 200mbps, and I think nothing of grabbing a 2 gig file this would have been a pipe dream in the old days. We sure are getting there. Many think we are falling behind. But it is more that many people aren't really interested in broadband because they have no need for it. Many of those on dial-up are only on that because their relatives browbeat them into getting an email address. As the older generation dies off and the younger generation get jobs and homes, broadband will continue to expand at a natural rate. BS. The problem is that your bosses at the cable company enjoy monopolies thus the high prices many cannot justify for broadband. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·Packet8
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said by Michieru :"Broadband, if considered a utility" It's considered a utility for a business, not for a customer. "Price is no longer a reason, for most people, not to get a broadband internet connection. "Availability" and "need" are the prime factors." No, just stop there broadband's average price is around 30-50 dollars. Dialup average is around 10-19 dollars. To someone who lives off a low income everything they have is looked upon as highly valuable, especially when it comes to money so while it does not look like much a difference to someone who has a normal or high income, for someone with low income it really does. Price is still one of the main factors, availability is another. Need is not a prime factor because when I had dialup I learned to be patient, please don't confuse need from want. Broadband is only needed to those who use applications that require such speeds. It's a luxury to the user like a car instead of driving a Meetro he/she wants a Dodge Viper. It's sheer stupidity and narrow mindedness to deny the fact that internet IS a utility.
It serves nothing but helps the greedy cable cos to maintain the current status quo, their high prices yet ridiculously slow upload speeds, keeping users miserably clueless, resulting falling competitiveness.
This is exactly the kind of mindset that resulted our shitty broadband speeds, high prices, laughable cable upload speeds etc etc, all together our pathetic ~16th place in the world when it comes to broadband. |
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TK Junk Mail
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April 27th, @03:18PM
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said by kamm :BS. The problem is that your bosses at the cable company enjoy monopolies thus the high prices many cannot justify for broadband. You are a liar.
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Michieru
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Miami, FL | reply to kamm
Then please explain in detail on how is Broadband in fact a utility. |
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Michieru
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Miami, FL | reply to TK Junk Mail
lmfao kamm just loves to bite your head off  |
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tsu
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | reply to TK Junk Mail
Ever notice how when the introductory rates are low (and slightly misleading), people sign up for broadband in droves (or, at least in numbers significantly higher than usual)?
Definately a liar. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | reply to Michieru
That lying one, sure. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·Packet8
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said by Michieru :Then please explain in detail on how is Broadband in fact a utility. ? Explain how it isn't... |
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Transmaster
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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April 27th, @04:57PM
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said by kamm :The problem is that your bosses at the cable company enjoy monopolies thus the high prices many cannot justify for broadband. All of the bitching and moaning in the world isn't going to change things. I have my broadband connection, and I could care less if Joe Hoodus in Screw Horses, Wyoming doesn't. I am not going to increase my stress levels over an issue I can do absolutely nothing about.
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Michieru
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Miami, FL
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April 27th, @05:01PM
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Maybe I misunderstood your post?
EDIT: "It's sheer stupidity and narrow mindedness to deny the fact that internet IS a utility."
I take that as your saying im narrow minded and denying the fact that internet IS a utility, so your stating that in fact the internet itself is a utility.
If that's not what you mean't please elaborate. |
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