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hopeflicker
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Long Beach, CA
There's that word again

UNLIMITED


N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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Yep, and they put it right on the bill. "Unlimited KB on handset".


hopeflicker
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*WAITING*
for the corp. apologist or astroturfer to creep out.
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hopeflicker
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They are simply using the term "unlimited" to lure new customers. Once the customer signs up, all deals are off regarding unlimited use.
That's shitty marketing.
Isn't that kinda like bait and switch?
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toddbs98

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reply to hopeflicker
They are going with Comcast definition of unlimited which means you can you as anytime you want just not as much as you want.
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bshelly
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reply to hopeflicker
And I actually thought they would increase their capacity and possibly lower their prices. So much for that.

Isn't $80 for "unlimited" service already a premium? It takes some guts for them to think they can get away with charging more. Now if they would let me join for $50.00/mo. with a leased EVDO card included, unlimited service and only a 6 month contract, then maybe I would consider signing up.

As long as they require a long-term contract I won't even consider it.

UMTech

join:2004-10-18
Miami, FL

reply to hopeflicker
You mean UMLIMITED... notice the UMM... If they advertise a service as unlimited downloads and the consumer pays top dollar for that service (as I understand it, its the highest plan you can get), then they can't get mad when people actually use it to its fullest.

"... As an added extra free feature for your unlimited EV-DO download service plan, we are including our brand new and exciting invisible caps at no extra cost to you!"

Just my dos centavos..


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reply to hopeflicker
more like bait and switch


roamer1
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reply to UMTech
said by UMTech See Profile :

You mean UMLIMITED... notice the UMM...
Seen too many Metro POS commercials?

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BIGMIKE
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Westminster, CA

reply to hopeflicker
YOUR VERIZON WIRELESS CUSTOMER AGREEMENT

Our Rights To Limit Or End Service Or This Agreement
You agree not to resell our service to someone else without our prior written permission. You also agree your wireless phone won't be used for any other purpose that isn't allowed by this agreement or that's illegal. WE CAN, WITHOUT NOTICE, LIMIT, SUSPEND, OR END YOUR SERVICE OR ANY AGREEMENT WITH YOU FOR THIS OR ANY OTHER GOOD CAUSE, including, but not
limited to: (a) paying late more than once in any 12 months; (b) incurring charges larger than a required deposit or billing limit (even if we haven't yet billed the charges); (c) harassing our employees or agents; (d) lying to us; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) becoming insolvent or going bankrupt; (g) breaching this agreement; (h) "spamming," or other abusive messaging or calling; (i) modifying your wireless phone from its manufacturer's specifications; (j) providing credit information we can't verify; (k) using your service in a way that adversely affects our network or other customers; or (l) allowing anyone to tamper with your wireless phone number. We can also temporarily limit your service for any operational or governmental reason. »www.vzwshop.com/popups/customera···pup.aspx
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dvd536
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reply to N3OGH
said by N3OGH See Profile :

Yep, and they put it right on the bill. "Unlimited KB on handset".
EXACTLY! on handset. now if the handset is being used as a "MODEM" and tethered i can see why VZ is balking. this was never meant to be a replacement for regular broadband(DSL or cable)
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fiberguy
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reply to BIGMIKE
Now that's a funny agreement. One in particular is the (f) statement of going insolvent or bankrupt. There is a federal protection from people who have gone bankrupt to punish a person who has gone bankrupt on that basis alone. The only thing verizon could do is ask for a deposit of no more than they would ask for others or terminate the service if they go late again.

This particular end user agreement is garbage.


Cheese
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reply to BIGMIKE
said by BIGMIKE See Profile :

YOUR VERIZON WIRELESS CUSTOMER AGREEMENT

Our Rights To Limit Or End Service Or This Agreement
You agree not to resell our service to someone else without our prior written permission. You also agree your wireless phone won't be used for any other purpose that isn't allowed by this agreement or that's illegal. WE CAN, WITHOUT NOTICE, LIMIT, SUSPEND, OR END YOUR SERVICE OR ANY AGREEMENT WITH YOU FOR THIS OR ANY OTHER GOOD CAUSE, including, but not
limited to: (a) paying late more than once in any 12 months; (b) incurring charges larger than a required deposit or billing limit (even if we haven't yet billed the charges); (c) harassing our employees or agents; (d) lying to us; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) becoming insolvent or going bankrupt; (g) breaching this agreement; (h) "spamming," or other abusive messaging or calling; (i) modifying your wireless phone from its manufacturer's specifications; (j) providing credit information we can't verify; (k) using your service in a way that adversely affects our network or other customers; or (l) allowing anyone to tamper with your wireless phone number. We can also temporarily limit your service for any operational or governmental reason. »www.vzwshop.com/popups/customera···pup.aspx
Please tell me this is not real? A judge would laugh VZ right out of court with the agreement.

wev567

join:2006-02-25
Pittsburgh, PA

Please tell me this is not real? A judge would laugh VZ right out of court with the agreement.
Why? Even the bankrupcy bit seems standard to me. And if you bankrupt, you are a bad credit risk, so can't they put a billing limit on yer account? Or stop selling you something? Banks are not obligated to continue your credit card account if you bankrupt.

UMTech

join:2004-10-18
Miami, FL

reply to roamer1
LMAO! yes, yes I have I had Metro POS for a few months, reception sucked bad so I switched to Sprint. But their idea does seem to apply in this case


Cheese
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Please tell me this is not real? A judge would laugh VZ right out of court with the agreement.
Why? Even the bankrupcy bit seems standard to me. And if you bankrupt, you are a bad credit risk, so can't they put a billing limit on yer account? Or stop selling you something? Banks are not obligated to continue your credit card account if you bankrupt.
These 3 right here.

(c) harassing our employees or agents; (d) lying to us;
(j) providing credit information we can't verify;

Lying to you? How are they going to "verify" you are lying to them? Harassing employees? Then every company would disconnect their customers. And not verifying credit before giving the service? I believe most cellular companies verify credit BEFORE giving the service.

Techman21

join:2005-04-14
Richmond, VA

reply to BIGMIKE
And how pray-tell do I get to that page without using that link?

Here is one that I found by browsing from their main site to the verizon wireless site, using only the links provided on the official Verizon website. You have to enter in the area code you are looking for. My guess is due to different county,city, and state laws that could affect the agreements so they have to be worded differently. If not this is a stupid extra step.

What area is that agreement for?
What year was it created? (01/17/2005 is what I find at the bottom)

Now, here is the site I found, as I said using only the Verizon.com links: »www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/glob···ment.jsp
This is for the area code 23924 (Chase City,Va), so it could be different for other locales. Notice the date at the bottom as being 2/5/06 A much more recent date. Although the same or similar writing still appears. You can find it in the section labeled: Our Rights To Limit Or End Service Or This Agreement
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