The internet is not a utility;it's a business like any other

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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	The internet is not a utility;it's a business like any other "If access tiering takes hold, the Internet providers, rather than consumers, could become the driving force in how the Internet evolves. Those corporations’ profit-driven choices, rather than users’ choices, would determine which sites and methodologies succeed and fail. You mean like just about every other marketing driven industry in America. So why should internet access be exempt from the rules of capitalism, just like the auto industry and the cereal industry or the coffee industry. Guess what, the internet is not a utility, it is a business just like any other. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com Conrail Photo Album
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	said by TKJunkMail : So why should internet access be exempt from the rules of capitalism, just like the auto industry and the cereal industry or the coffee industry. Any network connection which offers hobbled access to pre-determined sites is not an Internet connection. It's a "which website did your ISP get money from to allow you to go to today" connection. When I hear about this idea, I always think of a car that you lease which is "programmed" to not be able to go any McDonald's store because McDonald's didn't pay the car company for the privilege. Of course, you can still drive to Wendy's because they paid. Or if you lease a truck, the truck manufacturer or leasing company doing something to make a particular trailer hitch not work because the trailer hitch company did not pay for the privilege. Both ideas sound absurd, and to call this type of access "Internet access" is even more absurd. -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008!
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moonpuppy join:2000-08-21 Glen Burnie, MD ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail : "If access tiering takes hold, the Internet providers, rather than consumers, could become the driving force in how the Internet evolves. Those corporations’ profit-driven choices, rather than users’ choices, would determine which sites and methodologies succeed and fail. You mean like just about every other marketing driven industry in America. So why should internet access be exempt from the rules of capitalism, just like the auto industry and the cereal industry or the coffee industry. Guess what, the internet is not a utility, it is a business just like any other. Just tell me how the phone company was so good at innovation before the breakup of ATT? During that time, touch tone service was extra, long distance service was expensive, you couldn't buy your own phone (had to be rented), etc. Also, the reason cell phone service is the way it is today is because it was mandated to have 2 competing systems in each area. Because of this, now we have the choice allowed to us today. As for the high speed companies, do you believe it is o.k. for them to restrict others from coming into an area and providing service EVEN IF THEY PROVIDE THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE?
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	said by moonpuppy : Just tell me how the phone company was so good at innovation before the breakup of ATT? They weren't and that is because they were a regulated utility just like is being championed by many here and elsewhere. The innovation didn't happen until the government got their big nose out of it. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com Conrail Photo Album
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bamabrad join:2006-01-27 Port Orange, FL	reply to TKJunkMail When a company can decide what information is made available, even if playing the capitalistic 'money card', to it's customers then it is time that some oversight is needed. KNOWLEDGE is a right of the American public, and when that knowledge can be skewed, changed , or misdirected to achieve a non-total TRUTH , then something has to be done. Knowledge is power which needs some type of checks and balances.
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joeam2 Got any bugs? join:2005-02-27 Saint Clair, MI ·Sprint Mobile Broa..	reply to TKJunkMail I disagree completely with that statement! Just try and find a college or university that doesn't offer, if not require, on-line classes. Try and find a government institution at any level that doesn't offer services or at least make its presence known on the web. How many businesses depend on the web for their lively-hood? With each and every passing day the internet is becoming more essential for the citizens of this country. Do you honestly want Verizon, ATT, Bell South, etc. to decide which web sites you are allowed to see based on their advertising contracts and/or payola for on-line exposure? I know I don't! And as far as capitalism is concerned, you are already paying your ISP for their services. Isn't that enough?
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guitarzan Premium join:2004-05-04 Skytop, PA ·epix	reply to pnh102 said by pnh102 : Both ideas sound absurd, and to call this type of access "Internet access" is even more absurd. That's very fine points you raise and I agree with you, both ideas are absurd.However to me this sounds as if it's a case of controlled censorship and uncontrolled greed.All bundled up in one package, friggen azzholes. -- Bass....the glue of rhythm and harmony...the heartbeat of the band.! Shaking the earth with deep,sonorous vibrations.The dark ominous thunder of an approching storm.
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FTCXtreme join:2005-03-14 New Braintree, MA	reply to moonpuppy I wasn't alive during the 80s,so I dont even know the difference between touch tone service, and not having it. My best guess, is that you had to call the operater to before you had to call people. Now, cable, you have to rent the digital cable boxes, pay extra for digital service. So im sure in the future you will probably be able to go out and buy your own cable boxes. But cabe is still young compared to phones. Cable has been around for what? 30 years. Phone, for a long time(dont remember the date on hand). infact Alex Bell, only beat his competitor, I think his name was William Grey, beat him to the patent office by an hour. Now imagine if that didn't happen, and Grey got their first. Would we have the Grey System instead of the bell system. Im probably the youngest person on these forums, but dont use that against me. But, Network nuetrality, is something thats important. As "old_repub" says the internet is a business, but Its more then that. The internet is the global information super highway, a place for business, conecting with loved ones, educations, pr0n, and alot more. The idea that you can just limit the content because a provider wants to, is just bull crap. In the age internet is a utility, a new one but one thats going to stay for a LONG time. its as important, as phone, and electricity. By the time I have kids, the internet, will be as standard in American homes as a phone, or a TV. Whether it be, sattelite, DSL, Cable, Fibre Optics, or Dial-up, We are all internet users and deserve the same rights, and access to information. Thats why network Nuetrality is important.
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The_Rich_Are_Not_Cap @comcast.net	reply to TKJunkMail "The innovation didn't happen until the government got their big nose out of it." Almost every bit of internet and telephony innovation in the last 20 years stem from the breakup of AT&T.
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	reply to TKJunkMail Re: The internet is not a utility;it's a business like any other said by TKJunkMail : The innovation didn't happen until the government got their big nose out of it. AT&T fought the government literally to the death when it was being broken up. If it was not for Judge Greene's ruling or some other government action, AT&T would have continued to operate in the same manner that it had prior to 1984. Even after that, innovations like answering machines, cheap long distance, cell phones and the like came as the result of the work of other companies, not AT&T. Of course, we now have AT&T coming back together again. I can't wait till all of their local customers will be required to rent their phones as a result! -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008!
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	reply to guitarzan said by guitarzan : However to me this sounds as if it's a case of controlled censorship and uncontrolled greed.All bundled up in one package, friggen azzholes. People need to learn that they should not, under any circumstances, reward companies that screw them over. No matter how painful or inconvenient it is, if you really believe in your principles, then you won't send any company that's screwing you over any money whatsoever. -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008!
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pcscdma Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle Premium join:2004-01-14 Winterset, IA clubs:	reply to pnh102 Re: The internet is not a utility;it's a business like any other I usually ignore the guy that changes his name every day but... We probably wouldn't have seat belts because they would raise the cost of the car. Ford would continue to manufacture the Pinto because it would be cheaper to pay settlements to the families of victims than fix the problem. Regulation is part of every business. Get used to it.
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kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY ·T-Mobile US	reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail : "If access tiering takes hold, the Internet providers, rather than consumers, could become the driving force in how the Internet evolves. Those corporations’ profit-driven choices, rather than users’ choices, would determine which sites and methodologies succeed and fail. You mean like just about every other marketing driven industry in America. So why should internet access be exempt from the rules of capitalism, just like the auto industry and the cereal industry or the coffee industry. Guess what, the internet is not a utility, it is a business just like any other. Dead wrong: it IS a utility already or it should be. Otherwise we have no chance in the next century against the rest of the Western world.
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moonpuppy join:2000-08-21 Glen Burnie, MD ·Verizon Online DSL	reply to pnh102 said by pnh102 : Even after that, innovations like answering machines, cheap long distance, cell phones and the like came as the result of the work of other companies, not AT&T. Just as a side note, I have seen an answering machine that dates back to the mid 40's. Intresting piece of equipment.
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	said by moonpuppy : Just as a side note, I have seen an answering machine that dates back to the mid 40's. Intresting piece of equipment. Did it have to have the "headset isolation device" that AT&T required that you use when connecting "foreign" equipment to their telephone network, lest the network "explode?" -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008!
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guitarzan Premium join:2004-05-04 Skytop, PA ·epix	reply to TKJunkMail Re: The internet is not a utility;it's a business like any other said by TKJunkMail : You mean like just about every other marketing driven industry in America. So why should internet access be exempt from the rules of capitalism You mean like the RIAA's Utopian version of capitalism.? Rootkit Anyone.?Stalking and video taping minors. There is a set pattern one needs to understand. Grease enough palms of politicians and you can have it your way. The Government will turn a blind eye to it, for the right bribe..errr contribution.Microsoft ante'd up hence DRM and TCP. I cant wait to see what Ed Whitacre AKA sitting chief "internet cloud" gets in return for lining the already over filled coffers of politicians.Me thinks it will not be consumer friendly. This is not capitalism it's plain old fascism.All at taxpayers expense and money. -- Bass....the glue of rhythm and harmony...the heartbeat of the band.! Shaking the earth with deep,sonorous vibrations.The dark ominous thunder of an approching storm.
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Freezone join:2000-09-29 Southfield, MI	reply to pnh102 said by pnh102 : said by guitarzan : No matter how painful or inconvenient it is, if you really believe in your principles, then you won't send any company that's screwing you over any money whatsoever. Tell that to people who keep paying these high cable rates for no good reason.
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