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said by CurtesyFlush  :I have no recollection of any copter service or heliport in Riverside. The heliport Bloominite mentioned was operational, I am pretty sure, through the 70s. I don't remember when it shut down, but it has been quite a while. An ugly, generic office park has recently arisen in its place.
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Re: A So Cal place name primer
I actually do not think you know a damn thing about Heber D. Perrett and his money. Go ask him how he lived as a boy and how he made his money, you will get an honest answer. and a good one, nothing dirty. next time do some research before you go bad mouthing people. |
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Interesting article in today's Daily Breeze about how some of the local places got their names:
»www.dailybreeze.com/news/article···ll=y&c=y
Founding families left their mark on history
The legacy of the Carson, Del Amo, Dominguez and Sepulveda names extends beyond road maps.
By Stephanie Walton
Daily Breeze
You see the names of Dominguez, Del Amo, Carson and Sepulveda everywhere in the South Bay -- streets, commercial centers, universities. But who were these South Bay pioneers?
Here's a look at the men and women behind those curious names.
Dominguez: Juan Jose Dominguez received the 75,000-acre Rancho San Pedro land grant in the 1780s in appreciation for many years of military service to the Spanish crown, according to The Rancho San Pedro by Robert Cameron Gillingham. The sweep of the grant extended from western Long Beach to Redondo Beach.
Juan Jose lived on the ranch sporadically for 20 years; he died in 1809. His heir, nephew Cristobal Dominguez, also in the service of the Spanish military, did not live there at all, leading to lingering land disputes and litigation that would occupy Manuel Dominguez, Cristobal's oldest son, for many years after Cristobal's death in 1825.
Manuel Dominguez, also known as Don Manuel, also would have to reaffirm his family's right of ranch ownership to Mexican and U.S. authorities as California's government changed over the years.
In 1869, the patent of the title to Rancho San Pedro -- minus the Palos Verdes Peninsula awarded by Spanish authorities in 1841 to the Sepulveda family -- was recorded in Los Angeles County records.
Don Manuel, the only one of Cristobal's nine children to establish long-term residency at the ranch, also entered Los Angeles and regional politics, at one point serving as mayor of Los Angeles, according to The Rancho San Pedro. He died in 1882.
The ranch was partitioned in 1885 among six of their surviving 10 children. Don Manuel's home would later be donated as a seminary.
Some of the Redondo Beach streets named for Spanish women carry the names of Don Manuel's daughters. Those street names are Catalina, Elena, Francisca, Gertruda, Guadalupe, Helberta, Irena, Juanita, Lucia, Maria, Paulina and Susana avenues.
Del Amo: Dr. Gregorio Del Amo became part of South Bay history when he married Susana Dominguez, whose inheritance included a parcel of land in the heart of present-day Torrance, where Del Amo Fashion Center and Del Amo Financial Center now stand. Oil was later discovered on their land.
The Del Amos also built and lived in a house on the Redondo Beach waterfront just south of present day Veterans Park, according to Old Redondo: A Pictorial History of Redondo Beach by Dennis Shanahan. Del Amo would later give up his medical practice to enter the diplomatic corps for the Spanish government and, through their wills, the Del Amos would provide for a classroom and dormitory building at the seminary, according to The Rancho San Pedro.
Carson: George Henry Carson's influence on the local lexicon also came through marriage to one of Don Manuel's daughters, Maria Victoria.
The Rancho San Pedro says that it was through Carson's public service -- on the Los Angeles City Council and as the public administrator of Los Angeles County -- that he met Don Manuel and his future wife, Maria Victoria, for whom Victoria Regional Park is named.
In 1862, Carson and Maria Victoria moved their family to the Dominguez Rancho, where he became chief assistant to Don Manuel. His shrewd business acumen helped the ranch persevere during a serious drought in the 1860s.
After Don Manuel's death, Carson "supervised management of lands inherited by his wife and was the principal guiding hand in protecting the interest of other Dominguez daughters," according to The History of a City ... Carson, California by Jack E. Jerrills.
The Rancho San Pedro noted that Carson "was the only one who could control the temperamental sisters during the difficult period when the respective shares of the estate were being determined."
The couple would have 15 children. The eldest son, John Victor, would carry on the family tradition in the affairs of the Dominguez Estate Co., Carson Estate Co. and Dominguez Water Corp. Carson died at his home in 1901.
Sepulveda: Juan Jose Dominguez's executor, Manuel Gutierrez, moved onto the ranch after Dominguez's death and allowed the family of Don Jose Sepulveda to graze cattle and build a family home on the Los Palos Verdes portion.
Sepulveda refused to leave although ordered to do so by Spanish authorities in 1822 and died in 1824 during an Indian attack at Mission La Purísima Concepción.
Sepulveda had stopped at the mission north of Santa Barbara on his way home from Monterey, where he had again sought to establish his claim of ownership.
California Historical Landmarks listing No. 383 marks the site of Sepulveda's 1818 adobe home, built near the present day intersection of Madison Street and Courtney Way in Torrance.
In 1841, authorities awarded the Sepulveda family more than 31,000 acres of Rancho San Pedro.
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CurtesyFlush
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As an add on to Val's post, how did Redondo Beach come by its name? It was once part of the Avila family holding called the Rancho Sausal Redondo, Sausal meaning willow, Redondo meaning rounded. Ranch of the Rounded Willow.
Which is kind of redundant, as I assume they're meaning the Arroyo Willow, a small riparian tree that tends to grow, uh, redondo. There's nothing like the smell of the Arroyo Willow in the air right around dusk. That heady aroma sure brings back carefree childhood memories.
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Talk is so cheap. As a boy myself, my family went from owning a thriving and successful ranch to scrounging for fire wood in the city dump as a result of dealing with Heber Perrett. And we are not the only ones- countless others have lost "the family farm" to good old Mr. Perrett. He seems like such a nice guy, and sounds so believable. You have no idea. You mention research- I suggest you do a little- at almost any California county records division for example. My advice is never get involved with him in matters of money! |
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Anon war! |
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CurtesyFlush
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Fontana, CA | Quite possibly a first for the So Cal forum.
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LA - Charley |
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South Coast Orange County = Stepford |
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tannman
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Oxnard....Named after of all things a Sugar Beet farmer "Henry T Oxnard"...why couldn't his name be smith or jones or anything but Oxnard |
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Escondido = Hidden |
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w6bi
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Simi Valley; from Wikipedia: "some writers think that the name of Simi Valley came from the Chumash word "Shimiji", meaning little white clouds."
Others say 'simi' in Chumash meant "windy" - which would fit... |
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maartena
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A nice tale, supposed to be true... but no one knows for sure.
The city of Orange, California was founded in 1871 by Mr. Chapman and Mr. Glassell and they dubbed it Richland. Soon after the first houses were built and people started receiving their mail, the city officials were contacted by the Post Office. Apperantly, there already was a city named Richland, California which was founded before 1871. This was in a time when there were no zipcodes, so two cities with the same name in the same state could be confusing.
Chapman and Glassell discussed the situation with 2 other civic leaders and decided on a name change. They agreed that the city should be named after the fruit that was grown there, however they could not agree on a name.
One wanted the name Orange, one wanted Lemon, another wanted Almond and the last wanted Olive. To decide on the name, they decided to do it the good-old wild west way: In a poker game.
Obviously we now know that the person who picked Orange won that pokergame. But to please the other three it was decided that the other three names would get a street name. And so there is a Lemon Street, Almond Street and an Olive Street right around the oldest part of the city.
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TwoFrogs
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| said by maartena :Chapman and Glassell discussed the situation with 2 other civic leaders and decided on a name change. They agreed that the city should be named after the fruit that was grown there, however they could not agree on a name. Thank God no one was raising dangleberries. |
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CurtesyFlush
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Bane75
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Placentia = Pleasant Place |
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PhiloVance
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How about this: »www.mydogspot.com/
Not really a place, but lotsa history. Actually I found it a few weeks ago but was reminded of it today.
Does CW still have his many commercials where he wing walks, etc? |
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Re: Quiz time
Whirlybirds
Well that goes to show me what happens when you arrive at the party late!
Agoura was named after some shepherds named Aguirre. They misspelled the name.
Moorpark was named after the apricot, not the other way around. Just don't spell it backwards!
Fillmore was named after a SPRR superintendent, not the President.
Henry Mayo Newhall named Saugus after his home town in Massachusetts |
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machinegunke
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Re: A So Cal place name primer
How about Sylmar up in the S.F.Valley. How did that name come about? I lived there from 1965 until I moved to Palmdale back in 1985.
On another note, do any of you old timers remember A.F.Wescott and sons chicken ranch on old Reseda Blvd. back in the 40's and 50's? That was my grandfather on my mothers side. |
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