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said by sbrook  :It disappoints me that the ARRL has taken an "I'm alright Jack" attitude to this by saying it doesn't affect amateur frequencies, when in fact it is going to hurt LOTS of other parts of the spectrum. And what activities are going to be impacted by Current's system?
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said by GOLFnSUN :And what activities are going to be impacted by Current's system? It's only 3MHz away from CB radio. 
And please, please think about the children and their 49MHz remote controlled toys.
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said by RadioDoc :Read the article: 30-50 MHz I saw that wise guy. What I was asking was what services are affected? And that isn't in the article.
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spurious
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Who uses 30 - 50 MHz? Many State and local Law enforcement agencies and highway maintenance agencies, not to mention a host of other public service agencies and industrial users. |
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said by GOLFnSUN :said by RadioDoc :Read the article: 30-50 MHz I saw that wise guy. What I was asking was what services are affected? And that isn't in the article. Lower VHF TV channels, business two way radio, and in some areas low band VHF public safety. I say "in some areas" as a lot of public safety is now in high band VHF ( ~150 Mhz) and the 800/900 Mhz spectrum. You'll see low band used in more rural areas or in areas with less money or incentives (like frequency congestion) to move public safety to other bands.
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | The thing is that it doesn't MATTER what's in the 30-50 MHz spectrum. BPL will create a lot of "splatter", everytime it hits a transformer, ever cable joint etc.
It's a ridiculous technology. |
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CHP is still on the VHF low band system |
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The American Red Cross uses 47.420Mhz as its primary freq.
My county Sheriffs Ofc uses 460Mhz as primary, but 46, 41, and 42Mhz as tactical channels.
Florida Dept of Corrections uses 45mhz.
Florida Dept of Transportation uses 45 and 47mhz.
Florida Highway Patrol still uses (although not near as much as they used to) 45mhz across the state.
And lets not forget about all the fast food joints. The menuboard->headset freq of 95% of the joints is below 40mhz.
Theres these and a crapload of other agencies that use sub50Mhz for their primary communication, not all of which have the benefit of a large body like the ARRL on their side.
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said by GOLFnSUN :said by RadioDoc :Read the article: 30-50 MHz I saw that wise guy. What I was asking was what services are affected? And that isn't in the article. Get off your lazy butt and do some research on your own. There are hundreds of different services in that frequency range.
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shashinka
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This is being deployed in Texas, right?
The ARRL is not funded to worry about the whole spectrum, this is up to the FCC and those affected. |
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said by sbrook :The thing is that it doesn't MATTER what's in the 30-50 MHz spectrum. BPL will create a lot of "splatter", everytime it hits a transformer, ever cable joint etc. It's a ridiculous technology. I won't disagree that it's ridiculous technology, however I'd rather have this in 30 - 50 Mhz than plunked on the spectrum below 30 Mhz. Much of the communications in 30 to 50 Mhz is FM and local communications, often using repeaters and/or used in vehicles with electrically noisy engines to begin with. Receive signal levels are in general higher that what you work with on HF (1-30 Mhz). On HF, one often receives signals just above the noise floor, something most BPL proponents just don't understand. |
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said by shashinka :This is being deployed in Texas, right? The ARRL is not funded to worry about the whole spectrum, this is up to the FCC and those affected. You DO realize that the FCC has been FSCKING up constantly over the past year, right?
You DO realize that the ARRL is viewed as a quasi-honorable organization concerned with wise and correct use of the spectrum, right?
What this tells me is that the ARRL are money whores like pretty much any other organization I've run across in my too many years.
So the ARRL, ONCE concerned with wise spectrum use for ALL frequencies, has now whored itself to a BPL carrier...
Im not impressed.
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RC aircraft are usually regulated to 72MHz. RC vehicles (cars and boats) are 75MHz. There are other frequncies next to the CB band (27Mhz) and some frequencies at 49MHz (limited power.) HAMS can also use the 6 meter band for RC control. |
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said by DaDogs :said by shashinka :This is being deployed in Texas, right? The ARRL is not funded to worry about the whole spectrum, this is up to the FCC and those affected. So the ARRL, ONCE concerned with wise spectrum use for ALL frequencies, has now whored itself to a BPL carrier... I can't recall the ARRL ever being concerned for all frequencies, although maybe remotely shortwave broadcast since many hams are SWLs. Can you cite an example were the ARRL lobbied for non-ham spectrum in some official public way?
Many have said this before, but the one and only issue that ARRL and ham radio has with BPL is with interference to ham radio. If a BPL carrier can honestly fix that problem without smoke and mirrors, and not be continual thorn in our sides, hams have nothing to complain about (much to the dismay of trolls and ham bashers here). The NTIA documented the issues with aeronautical frequencies, and the FCC implemented some protection for them, but if it isn't sufficient, it's the fault of the NTIA and FCC and they'll have to answer for it. Commercial interests that will be affected need to spend their money to protect their interests, not that of ARRL members. Myself and others may argue that BPL on any frequency is a bad scene, but I'm not going to pay to convince an unresponsive, heavily politicized FCC to protect a for-profit business. The ARRL has made bad decisions in the past, but this isn't one of them. |
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