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| reply to jwardl Re: fision Internet/ tv / Dig phone
I'm not saying that it's not legit. Sorry if my blunt comments made it seem that way.
I just have a hard time taking RR_Chris's "1.6 mill" statement seriously. Part of this is because it's coming from a very unreliable source, but for the most part because I find it rather difficult to believe that they rolled out service almost overnight.
Cautiously optimistic. I can respect that. -- AIM | B | irc.removed.us - #dslr | Give me a ring: 718-606-4100 |
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| If these people can do what they say they can, TW will feel the heat quickly as a good portion of their customers leave them in droves! IF. If I understand, your doubt is centered on whether they can possibly have the infrastructure to service so many people, considering that they're "new to the scene."
Since the fiber is already laid, it sounds plausible to me. If it weren't for that, no way. If all OEN has to do though is run a relatively short fiber optic cable from the main trunk to each person's door, however, it shouldn't be too bad -- as long as they have a sufficiently large crew to handle the work.
Too many IF'S?  |
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| A variety of things bug me about these guys. Since I'm bored this morning, I will list the ones I still remember. • Company has been in business just a little over a year. Hard to take them seriously. • Claims that their service is available to a very large area, even though... (see above point) • Sketchy details on their site. Leaves a lot (too much) to the imagination. (or as you said - too many IF's)
I'm a firm believer of "I'll believe it when I see it". That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. -- AIM | B | irc.removed.us - #dslr | Give me a ring: 718-606-4100 |
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| There is nothing strange about this company, guys.
The fiber network they will use has been built in Houston for many years by Phonoscope Cable provider. They have better TV lineup than TWC but they could not sell it before as only TWC can do so in our area. Though, you still can get it for businesses.
Now they developed a new technology, changed the brand name to Fision and can compete with TWC |
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| said by Zoly :There is nothing strange about this company, guys. The fiber network they will use has been built in Houston for many years by Phonoscope Cable provider. They have better TV lineup than TWC but they could not sell it before as only TWC can do so in our area. Though, you still can get it for businesses. Now they developed a new technology, changed the brand name to Fision and can compete with TWC good post |
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  MysticGogeta The Robot Devil Premium join:2005-03-14 League City, TX clubs: | reply to removed I agree ill wait for others to test this first ill stick with rr untill i know 100% about this company |
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| reply to removed said by removed :A variety of things bug me about these guys. Since I'm bored this morning, I will list the ones I still remember. • Company has been in business just a little over a year. Hard to take them seriously. • Claims that their service is available to a very large area, even though... (see above point) • Sketchy details on their site. Leaves a lot (too much) to the imagination. (or as you said - too many IF's) I'm a firm believer of "I'll believe it when I see it". That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. If I bought the local gas company 6 months ago, slapped my name on it, and started selling -- I'd have been in business for a mere six months, and yet, be able to offer service to millions of people. The only chink in my analogy is that Fision isn't only putting their name on the service, but piping through their own "gas" as well. The point is, the infrastructure is already there.
My current ISP is Earthlink, but they're using TW's infrastructure. "Removed," you could (in theory) make a deal with TW next week that allows you to sell your own cable broadband package -- let's call it "Removed Broadband" -- using their lines, but connecting through YOUR servers, allowing you to offer custom content, control access, etc. After finalizing this, you could legitimately offer your service to MILLIONS, yet, be a brand new business. There's nothing shady about the idea at all. I mean no accusation (sincerely), but you almost sound like a SWB "plant." Granted, I may sound like one for Fision as well, but am not. I *do* intend to be a customer ASAP, however -- IF the installation doesn't cost an arm and a leg!  |
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| said by jwardl :If I bought the local gas company 6 months ago, slapped my name on it, and started selling -- I'd have been in business for a mere six months, and yet, be able to offer service to millions of people. The only chink in my analogy is that Fision isn't only putting their name on the service, but piping through their own "gas" as well. The point is, the infrastructure is already there. Oh sure, the infrastructure is already there. That's great.
But do they know what the hell they're doing?
If you bought the local gas company, you might have infrastructure - but your reputation is nonexistent. Same thing applies to these "Fision" guys - I ain't never heard of 'em before. I can't research them, because there's nothing to research... all I see is old press releases and a video that says they've been in business for a little over a year.
said by jwardl :My current ISP is Earthlink, but they're using TW's infrastructure. "Removed," you could (in theory) make a deal with TW next week that allows you to sell your own cable broadband package -- let's call it "Removed Broadband" -- using their lines, but connecting through YOUR servers, allowing you to offer custom content, control access, etc. After finalizing this, you could legitimately offer your service to MILLIONS, yet, be a brand new business. There's nothing shady about the idea at all. Again, I could do that... but even with someone else's infrastructure, simply having access to it does not prove that I know what the hell I'm doing.
I've never set up a cluster of servers to offer my own content to millions of users. I wouldn't know where to begin with tech support and customer service. Sure, I could offer the service... but doing it well is another story.
said by jwardl :I mean no accusation (sincerely), but you almost sound like a SWB "plant." Ho ho ho! Now that's a good joke.
Here are three four reasons why that statement is dead wrong: - I think SBC screwed up by doing ADSL2+/VDSL instead of FTTH. - I think SBC screwed up with the new pricing and packages; keep it simple, stupid. - I'd much rather have a Verizon FiOS-like service than 6016/608 ADSL from SBC. - My current job pays more than SBC would ever offer me... I don't think "SWB plants" get paid a decent amount.  -- AIM | B | irc.removed.us - #dslr | Give me a ring: 718-606-4100 |
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| reply to jwardl said by jwardl :If I bought the local gas company 6 months ago, slapped my name on it, and started selling -- I'd have been in business for a mere six months, and yet, be able to offer service to millions of people. The only chink in my analogy is that Fision isn't only putting their name on the service, but piping through their own "gas" as well. The point is, the infrastructure is already there. This company seems to have bought some fibre. As far as anyone knows they do not have a single customer yet. Second problem with the analogy is that power companies already have hook up to the customers home. I know in my neighborhood there is no fiber hook up to anyone's house, I doubt this exist in more than 5% of the Huston homes. So just how are they going to provide these Gbps of bandwidth into peoples homes and how is it going to be paid for.
I agree at best this will appear in apartment, townhouses and condos and even then it will not happen over night. The infrastructure is still not there. It is like buying a tollway without exits or entrance ramps, they still have their work cutout for them. |
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| reply to Flippant said by Flippant :This company seems to have bought some fibre. As far as anyone knows they do not have a single customer yet. Second problem with the analogy is that power companies already have hook up to the customers home. I know in my neighborhood there is no fiber hook up to anyone's house, I doubt this exist in more than 5% of the Huston homes. So just how are they going to provide these Gbps of bandwidth into peoples homes and how is it going to be paid for. I agree at best this will appear in apartment, townhouses and condos and even then it will not happen over night. The infrastructure is still not there. It is like buying a tollway without exits or entrance ramps, they still have their work cutout for them. The only "customers" they have so far are beta testers.
I don't really understand your reasoning. The analogy isn't flawed. Power companies may already have hookups to peoples' homes (while Fision doesn't), but that wasn't always so. Are you saying that because virtually no one now has fiber that it's unworkable, or somehow suspect? Fision doesn't have a many-years long track record of delivering these types of services to people, but, who in the US does? This is emerging technology, and if Fision can't do it, someone else will soon enough.
If your argument is that, as a new company, these guys are less likely to manage the feat than a long-established company like TW or SWB, that COULD be true, but isn't necessarily. Existing companies are generally slow to adapt to new technology, only grudgingly changing as the market forces them to. The well-known players have many millions invested in their existing technology, are set in their business practices, and in their ways of thinking. *Sometimes*, a new player has the advantage of STARTING with new technology, and bringing fresh ideas to the table. They can hire people who are well-versed in aspects of the business they want to establish, rather than butting heads with senior officials who are more comfortable and feel safer with the status quo.
As for HOW the fiber will be brought in, I can't describe the mechanics of how it's done in detail, but fiber will be run from the "trunk" to peoples' homes much in the same way telephone lines are. If SWB did it, why can't someone else? I can't talk dollars, but would think the time/trouble would be minimal when compared to phone lines or coax cable. While the head-end electronics may be more complex, the fiber itself is far simpler and more flexible (technologically speaking) than copper.
You're right in that this won't happen overnight. It's not like Fision will be able to offer service to the 1.6 mil quoted about from Day 1, but it shouldn't be a problem once deployment is completed.
All this said, it's possible all these grandiose plans could come crashing down due to a bureaucratic snafu, mismanagement, internal corruption, or just biting off a piece bigger than they can chew. It's equally possible that they actually know what they're talking about, and will become a huge success. Will it all go smoothly without any unexpected bumps or bad experiences? Probably not. We're talking virtually new technology here. Time will tell, and while I know no more about the inner working of the company than can be culled from their website, I prefer to remain, as quoted previously, cautiously optimistic. |
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| reply to CO_Chris I beg to differ the point of who's fiber network FISION is using. My aunt lives in the area where they are beta testing and she has been told that FISION had aquired Eagle Broadband's fiber network and that's why they can only light up people on that side of town. And then eventually one day maybe in the next few years start to expand into other parts of Houston from there. |
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| reply to cat eyes Yes, they are leasing phonoscopes network. Eagle broadband areas are already built out with fiber, to expand past that they would have to build out neighborhoods themselves and use Phonoscope as the backbone for the city. How fast (if ever) they do that is anybody's guess but I am not holding my breath. |
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join:2006-11-07 Houston, TX | I don't think they would have to use Phonoscope as a back bone if they are already using Eagle Broadbands. The Eagle Network goes all the way from League City where the home office is to where my aunt and I are at up here. |
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| OEN's first deployment partner is Phonoscope of Houston, Texas, owner of the largest privately held metro fiber network. Already the existing network reaches 200,000 household easements and is within 100 to 500 yards of approximately 1.6 million households in the 6 county areas around Houston.
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···id=81855
They are apparantly also using abovenet's network in houston (according to their investor newsletter). |
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