BoyareYOUclueless
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Universities have plenty of money to piss away on stick & ball sports and other unnecessary crap. Complying with law ain't an "option" so they might as well get off their azzes and comply or pay stiff fines, and then comply - as it should be.
And for the gullible sheep without a clue, being led by the media hype, "spying" has been going on since the beginning of time and it will continue to go on because there is a legitimate need for same. If you ain't got nothing to hide then spying shouldn't bother you. And if you do have something to hide you're gonna be found out sooner than later, so get over it.
Here's a hint for ya... Do you think the U.S. is the only one spying on citizens in the U.S. ???
Like DUH - Get a friggin CLUE people !!! |
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JoeOnSunset
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malinois
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“Those who would trade safety for freedom deserve neither.”
- Thomas Jefferson
“Those who would sacrifice a little freedom for temporal safety deserve neither to be safe or free.”
- Benjamin Franklin |
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nixen
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said by BoyareYOUclueless :
Here's a hint for ya... Do you think the U.S. is the only one spying on citizens in the U.S. ??? The Chinese government doesn't have the legal authority to make my life difficult based on their spying. In fact, doing so could compromise their ability to spy. Therefore, they'd be reticent to do so. The same thing can't be said of some bureaucrat with an NSL or similar instrument.
At any rate, what kind of idiot would want any pig with a chip on his shoulder being able to casually peruse your personal information without having to worry that it was going to cost said pig his/her job?
And, lest the knee-jerk johnny law supporters go bonkers, "pigs" refers strictly to law enforcement authorities and bureaucrats that are poking into my life without probable cause.
-tom
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lawrence171
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said by BoyareYOUclueless :
Universities have plenty of money to piss away on stick & ball sports and other unnecessary crap. Complying with law ain't an "option" so they might as well get off their azzes and comply or pay stiff fines, and then comply - as it should be.
And for the gullible sheep without a clue, being led by the media hype, "spying" has been going on since the beginning of time and it will continue to go on because there is a legitimate need for same. If you ain't got nothing to hide then spying shouldn't bother you. And if you do have something to hide you're gonna be found out sooner than later, so get over it.
Here's a hint for ya... Do you think the U.S. is the only one spying on citizens in the U.S. ???
Like DUH - Get a friggin CLUE people !!!
Imagine if Yale or Havard decides to close their doors due to this.
I'm not quite sure that the government would allow the Ivy League schools to close.
By the philosophy, you don't mind if people film you 24/7 and put U on public television for everyone to view. From your birth, to you making-love, and until the day you die.
BTW. the Most ignorant comment ever.
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asdfdfdf
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But I'll bet you're someone who cries foul every time the government sticks its nose into business activity, aren't you?
I thought the government wasn't supposed to force technical requirements on networks. Shouldn't we let the glorious and infallible market decide the proper balance between safety, cost, freedom rather than having these decisions made by a handful of people in government who claim to know better?
I thought people could do whatever the hell they wanted to do with THEIR wires. |
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JoeOnSunset
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said by malinois  :“Those who would sacrifice a little freedom for temporal safety deserve neither to be safe or free.” - Benjamin Franklin This is waaay off topic, but interestingly that misquotation of Franklin appears a lot on the Internet. I don't know how the quotation ended up getting changed to this, especially since "temporal" doesn't make sense in context. "Temporal" means "related to time," not "temporary." Anyway, Bartlett's Quotations accurately quotes Franklin as saying,
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. It may have been changed to be more emphatic, since Franklin is criticizing those who give up "essential" liberty (as opposed to any libertal at all) for "a little temporary safety" as opposed to, say, a lot of assured safety.
Nonetheless, in its original form the statement still condemns much of the sacrificies in liberty we've made in this country as history has proven over and over that they haven't made us any safer. |
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malinois
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December 19th, @10:23PM
| I apologize for the off topic misquote with a typographical error. I would like point out that the excellent reference you used indicates that the quote you sited was in fact an altered version of the original. The original according to Suzy Platt's "Respectfully Quoted", "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Your summation was my point. Thanks again for the correction.:) |
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pianotech
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said by BoyareYOUclueless :
And for the gullible sheep without a clue, being led by the media hype, "spying" has been going on since the beginning of time and it will continue to go on because there is a legitimate need for same. If you ain't got nothing to hide then spying shouldn't bother you. Oh really? So just because you have nothing to hide means that the president can break laws and violate the constitution he swore to uphold, defend and protect? Intresting. Why bother having a constitution, then? And what happens when mistakes are made? They happen, you know. Remember Iraq's WMD?
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Here's a hint for ya... Do you think the U.S. is the only one spying on citizens in the U.S. ???
No, the KGB, Pol Pot and the Gestapo were pretty into it also, I hear. The difference here is there is a legal mechanism that allows the president obtain a warrant very easily to conduct whatever spying he thinks is necessary. He can even spy for 72 hours before getting the warrant. It's called judicial review, and it's necessary for a democracy to function. Get a clue.
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Like DUH - Get a friggin CLUE people !!!
I suggest you pick up any good civics 101 textbook and start at the introduction.
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Kearnstd
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to BoyareYOUclueless
cant the feds allready sopena the ISP records and emails?
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JoeOnSunset
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Geez, offended? Firstly, when I said "wayy off topic" I was talking about my own post, not yours. My post wasn't a criticism of your point at all, but a discussion of the various forms of this quote you always see floating around. That's why it was off topic. Hi.
Now, to get into the finer details: Although I don't see anywhere in the Bartlett's where it says their version of the quote (the one I used) is "altered" (seriously, where did you see that?), I happily concede that their version may not be the only one attributed to him. The version you mention from Platt is also a version you frequently see. Nonetheless, it has the same general meaning as Bartlett's version.
The version of interest (mentioning "temporal safety") makes little sense. That's why it was interesting to me since it's repeated in that form a good deal on the web.
But, since you thanked me: you're welcome. |
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