Shootist
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join:2003-02-10
Decatur, GA
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Re: ZyWall 5 V4.00 (XD.2) released
I don't know about anyone else but the most Nat sessions I ever used was with 2 P2P apps running, Limewire and WinMX, doing multiple searches on both and multiple downloads on both I got to something like 3700. Not sure if you could ever get to 16000 on a home connection anytime in the near future. Ok Yes you could have the fastest connection on the planet for home use but just how many people will have that type of connection. And with the way things are going P2P could be dead anytime in the near future.
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PVU
join:2005-08-29
Silver Spring, MD
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said by Shootist  :None here. From looking at the data sheets it looks like the FW throughput has been lowered on all models with the V4 firmware compared with the 3.64. Z5 80 v3.64, 65 v4, Z35/70 down 10 instead of the 15 for the Z5. The VPN is also down a little on the Z35/70 but the same for the Z5. Just what type of speed problem are you having and how fast is your connection. Shoot, I'm assuming that lowered FireWall throughput is a good thing?
After upgrading, it seemed as if overall speed really went south. Interestingly, it seemed that there was a disproportionate split between the users – some faster than others. But, generally speaking, overall speed decreased.
I checked with my (1.5 mbps) provider – thinking it could be on their end. The prelim tests were all good (just shy of 1.5).
Can I go back to 3x?
Also, I’m using a Linksys router as a switch. I would hate to switch switches because my problems are new, but is there a difference in switches.
I wish I could offer more. I guess the big question is: Can I go back to 3x to see what’s up? Thanks |
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Shootist
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join:2003-02-10
Decatur, GA
| Yes you can go back to v3 but after the firmware uplaods the router will go into a continuous reboot. Just hold in the reset button for 15 second and it will clear the reboots and you'll be good to go.
Personally I have not seen any slow downs at all since going to V4 firmware and if there was a problem with V4 it would of shown up on other users units and been reported here. I haven't seen any other than yours.
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jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA
| there WERE initial reports of a slowdown, but it seemed to be a symptom of not resetting the zywall to all defaults from within the firmware and then inputting all the user specific details.
so, if you are seeing a speed drop, try resetting to all defaults, go through the initial setup, and test it again.
your switch should have no bearing on the relative speed changes. i suppose if it was a managed switch and its internal ip address somehow was in contention with the new routers subnet then maybe, but otherwise i have yet to see either a hub or switch be incompatible with multi-vendor hardware, as long as the hardware doesn't have a mechanical fault. |
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jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA
1 edit | reply to Shootist
said by Shootist :I don't know about anyone else but the most Nat sessions I ever used was with 2 P2P apps running, Limewire and WinMX, doing multiple searches on both and multiple downloads on both I got to something like 3700. Not sure if you could ever get to 16000 on a home connection anytime in the near future. Ok Yes you could have the fastest connection on the planet for home use but just how many people will have that type of connection. And with the way things are going P2P could be dead anytime in the near future. i doubt that very much (the last).
how do limewire and winmx stack up against 3 or 4 large torrents all going at the same time?
actually, can i just get an idea of sessions open by running netstat -an on a win machine? or maybe tcpview? or are there usually a bunch of orphaned nat sessions left in the table of the router for a long time?
edit->well, after running the command "ip nat iface enif1 st" on my old rt314, i see that its table size is 256... and doesn't that correspond to the number of nat sessions?
maybe i'm worrying about nothing important. |
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DavidJWood
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join:2001-10-12
UK
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I wonder if a better solution, rather than downgrading, is to reset to defaults under 4.00 and reconfigure from scratch. There are various changes in version 4 firmware and that may help.
My apologies if you've already done this, but if you downgrade to version 3 and you don't have a saved configuration from version 3, you'll have to reconfigure from scratch under version 3. As version 3 firmware is the past, and may well not receive that much more attention, it seems better to put your effort into what's to come, and try to get ZyXEL's help if you have a problem with version 4, rather than spending time downgrading.
Of course, it has to be your choice!
David |
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PVU
join:2005-08-29
Silver Spring, MD
| said by DavidJWood :I wonder if a better solution, rather than downgrading, is to reset to defaults under 4.00 and reconfigure from scratch. There are various changes in version 4 firmware and that may help. My apologies if you've already done this, but if you downgrade to version 3 and you don't have a saved configuration from version 3, you'll have to reconfigure from scratch under version 3. As version 3 firmware is the past, and may well not receive that much more attention, it seems better to put your effort into what's to come, and try to get ZyXEL's help if you have a problem with version 4, rather than spending time downgrading. Of course, it has to be your choice! David I lost you guys for a moment, and got a real sinking feeling
But I'm back! It did not take the downgrade too well, so I had to get to the router and upload the 4 XD.0 (saved), then XD.2. Whew!!
I seem to be moving faster - but there's no one else using the bandwidth. On the new 4 firmware, there are new default settings that weren't there in 3x:
WAN to WLAN: ? - the default is Permit
WLAN to WAN: ? - the default is Permit
The only defalts (with no rules) before was LAN to LAN, and LAN to WAN. There were (and are) LAN to DMZ and WAN to DMZ rules.
Can I disable to WLAN stuff? - we run on a LAN (don't know what WLAN is all about).
Also, the 4x defaults are "drop". Why not use "reject"? Before there was "permit" or "block" - no 3rd option.
I don't think I want to try going back to 3x. When you say reset defaults, do I have to go through the whole thing again? Or, if the setting were good (retained) should I just re-apply the the settings? Thanks |
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DavidJWood
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join:2001-10-12
UK
| Unless you have a wireless card in the ZyWALL, you can forget about the WLAN zone - under 4.00, WLAN is only available if you have a wireless card. By default, the wireless card is in the LAN zone, but you can set it to be in DMZ or the new WLAN zone under 4.00 (under 3.x, it was always in LAN).
The nearest equivalent to the old "block" is "drop", assuming that you didn't change the default behaviour of the ZyNOS 3 firewall. Both drop unwanted traffic without sending a TCP RST - so called "stealth". Reject is the same as "drop", but also sends an ICMP Destination Unreachable message back.
By reset to defaults, I mean pushing the button to restore to factory defaults in Maintenance -> Backup & Restore or equivalent. Even though things may look OK, there may be subtle corruption in settings converted when you upgraded from 3.x, which restoring to defaults and reconfiguring from scratch may solve.
Before you reset to defaults, save your settings (just in case you want to get back to where you were - though if you reload that configuration, you've undone any benefit of resetting to defaults) and make sure you have any notes you need to reconfigure the router.
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Shootist
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join:2003-02-10
Decatur, GA
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said by PVU :I lost you guys for a moment, and got a real sinking feeling But I'm back! It did not take the downgrade too well, so I had to get to the router and upload the 4 XD.0 (saved), then XD.2. Whew!! I seem to be moving faster - but there's no one else using the bandwidth. Do you mean you are the only one at this time connected to the 1.5Mbs connection?
About the only way to tell is to swap out the Zywall with a different router and see if you go faster or go back to the 3.64 firmware. If you try to go back to 3.64 after the flash is done you have to hold IN the RESET button for 15 seconds or more. I've gone back and forth between 4 and 3.64 and had to do the LONG reset whenever going back to 3.64.
said by PVU :On the new 4 firmware, there are new default settings that weren't there in 3x: WAN to WLAN: ? - the default is Permit WLAN to WAN: ? - the default is Permit The only defalts (with no rules) before was LAN to LAN, and LAN to WAN. There were (and are) LAN to DMZ and WAN to DMZ rules. Can I disable to WLAN stuff? - we run on a LAN (don't know what WLAN is all about). I think all those were there in 3.64? My default rule is set to Drop WAN to WLAN and I haven't change it. Don't know how your got set to Permit.
Yes you can set it to Drop and until you install a WLAN card (Wireless card) it really doesn't matter.
said by PVU :Also, the 4x defaults are "drop". Why not use "reject"? Before there was "permit" or "block" - no 3rd option. I don't think I want to try going back to 3x. When you say reset defaults, do I have to go through the whole thing again? Or, if the setting were good (retained) should I just re-apply the the settings? Thanks What you need to do is hit either the reset button on the front of the unit or use the reset link in the WEB GUI, that take the router back to factory defaults. Then you need to do ALL of the setting you need, WAN connection, Static DHCP, Port forwarding and firewall rules, by hand again, NOT using a saved configuration file. Actually the last time I reset my Z5 I loaded the default ROM file that came with the 4.0 (XD.2) firmware because I was unsure if I had ever loaded any of the default ROM files that came with previous firmwares and there are some notes about making changes to a older ROM files. So I figured the best thing to do would be to just load the newest ROM file and then do all my setting by hand from scratch.
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Anav
Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
Premium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
1 edit | reply to jig
The X-550 is a gaming oriented home router with the addition of MIMO, comparing to SMB is really not that useful.
Concur, WAN to WLAN should be drop by default!!
Please use the z70 demo link to view the firewall defaults page..........
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PVU
join:2005-08-29
Silver Spring, MD
| reply to Brano
Thanks all. Since it’s the consensus that there should be no speed issues, I’m not going back. If I see problems, I’ll reset and re-config. I should probably do it once anyway (Anav was a BIG help the first time).
David, if there are subtle corruptions residing in the config, would they possibly be corrected by upgrading the firmware (from say 4 XD.1 to XD.2)? Shoot, I did reset for about 30 seconds – did what you said. Then I uploaded the saved 4x, then went to 4 XD.2. It seems to be OK at this point, but I may end up going the re-config route.
Anav, interestingly enough, WAN to WLAN and LWAN to WAN were not dropped by default. |
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Anav
Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
Premium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
| reply to Brano
That is weird!
Just to let you know when I load new firmware,
- go to mainatenance page and do a soft reboot to clear caches
- load firmware via upload through webgui
- after the load reset the config to defaults via
the maintenance page on the web gui.
(same as loading the rom file separately just doing it the lazy way)
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jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA
| said by Anav :(same as loading the rom file separately just doing it the lazy way) maybe not just lazy. there have been other firmwares for other brands where the rom sent with the bin has itself been corrupt. resetting to defaults through the maintenance page ensures at least some kind of standard, in most cases anyway. |
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Sr Tech
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join:2003-01-19
New Fairfield, CT | One question is their a difference here from Zyxels ftp. I see 2 directories one for a Zywall5 and one which is posted for a Zywall5UTM. Are they both the same unit.? |
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Shootist
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join:2003-02-10
Decatur, GA
| said by Sr Tech :One question is their a difference here from Zyxels ftp. I see 2 directories one for a Zywall5 and one which is posted for a Zywall5UTM. Are they both the same unit.? Yes the Z5/35 are the same as the Z5UTM/35UTM. the difference is the UTM models come with the new Turbo card. If you have a Z5 or 35 (No UTM) and add a Turbo card you have turned that unit into a Z5UTM or 35UTM, that is IF you are running the V4 firmware.
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cjax
join:2004-01-11
Parsippany, NJ
| I'm looking to buy a ZyWall 5 after reading some of the reviews of the netgear FVS338. My concern is the throughput issue that a few people brought up, with V4 firmware. The reason I ask is b/c I have ordered VZ FiOS internet service at 15/2. Will the ZyWall 5 achieve these speeds with V4 firmware??? |
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Hank
Its all relative
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join:2002-05-21
Burlington, WV | I have the 15/2 service on Cox and run V4.0 (XD2) on my ZyWall and do not notice any degradation in service. I installed V4 a couple days ago and have ran several speed test with a heavy load on the router and have not seen poor throughput. |
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cjax
join:2004-01-11
Parsippany, NJ
| said by Hank :I have the 15/2 service on Cox and run V4.0 (XD2) on my ZyWall and do not notice any degradation in service. I installed V4 a couple days ago and have ran several speed test with a heavy load on the router and have not seen poor throughput. What were your actual speeds? I have 10/1 service right now from Optimum Online but In reality i get 6.2mbps/900kbps. Do you actually get 15 meg down? Many FiOS users are reporting speeds of 14.97mbps down/1.9x mbps up, for the 15/2 tier. Just curious if those were your "real world" download speeds, or just what you are provisioned for. |
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Hank
Its all relative
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join:2002-05-21
Burlington, WV | The speeds are dependant upon the routing and load on the network. In some cases I am exceeding the 15 down. In other cases I see speeds between 7 to 15 down. My upload has always been around 2100. |
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Anav
Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
Premium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
1 edit | reply to Brano
Cjax, the ZyWALL 5 is capable of throughput speeds one way of around 32Mbps.
Buying a UTM version is the least cost effective method of getting a turbocard and subscription. The turbocard is not required for standard use. My advice is if you dont want to go whole hog, then just buy the plain router now and then the turbosuite box (card plus subscription) at a later date. This is more cost effective than buying the UTM on spec and sometime later getting the subscription only.
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