r81984
Fair and Balanced
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join:2001-11-14
St John'S, NL | Re: Great Plan p2p started way before broadband. I used to use napster on my dial up way before broadband was popular or even close to being widespread. | |
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bereasonable
@cable.rogers | Re: Great Plan what point are you trying to make? p2p started before broadband -- so what? go try to download a 600mb demo on dial up and tell me how many days it takes. have you played on-line games using dial up? try it then come back and make a point. | |
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Fluker
join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN | Re: Great Plan Thank you.
Broadband does have legit uses.
Although my 300gb monthly indicates otherwise..... | |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Re: Great Plan 300gb/month?
so, your traffic looks a lot like mine!
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LittlePoohBah
@mindspring.com
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| Re: Great Plan You need to get out more. There's actually other things to do then seeing how much you use the internet on a week to week basis. Try getting a girlfriend | |
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heels_fan
1.20.09 The start of Socialism
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join:2003-02-07
Columbia, TN
| Broadband internet use is so overated | |
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Fatal Vector
@sfldmi.ameritech
| Re: Great Plan since it's Halloween, I'll play "Devils advocate"
The only reason anyone would go over a 300 Gb cap is if they were running a commercial server of some kind, spamming, serving pirated software, using a residential connection for business use, etc. Somehow, I just cant see what the hell anyone would be downloading with bit torrent either to use that much capacity, allthough I'm sure a few could find something.
The average Joe box of rocks is not going to come anywhere near that on a monthly basis and the fact is, you are not supposed to be doing such things on a residential connection, now are you? The ISP has every legitimate reason to stop you hogging bandwith that you shouldn't be hogging. If you're running a server, etc, then you are supposed to be on a business connection, aren't you?
I love watching the pseudo intellectuals here allways whining about how they need more bandwidth and speed, when in reality, most of them dont fully utilize the speed they allready have It's the same mindset as when Intel and AMD were selling CPU's on the basis of speed and I bet they were some of the ones allways "upgrading" time after time every few months because they just HAD to be on the "bleeding edge".
Note how the speed game is currently non existent except, perhaps, in the marketing of video cards to the gamers who still have that same mindset, since business and consumer got wise to the markrting ploy and, also note how the prices of computers have come crashing down, especially with the flood of older P2's and P3's, which are still quite usable for most people, on the market.
I suppose the answer is, as allways: If you go for the marketing scam, you deserve what you get. If you want truly "unlimited" Bandwidth, then you are going to have to pay for it by getting a business connection. To the average joe, 300 GB a month IS unlimited. To the few of you who do use that kind of bandwidth, it's not. | |
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Fluker
join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN
1 edit | Re: Great Plan I actually would say I don't use what I have "just because its there". I do have a somewhat top of the line computer but it serves a purpose. I have 500 gigs in storage and a 3000+ overclocked cpu, but this is because video editing is my main need for pushing my computer to its limits. I spent about as little as possible getting a radeon 7000 video card because that is all I really need.
check indyskate.com and about 90% of the videos found on that site were captured in dv, edited, and uploaded from this computer. Grabbing pictures and videos not found on the site from my computers is the larger part of why my bandwidth usage is so high and FTP'ing a 4gb avi to and from other people that like to play with video is not uncommon for me.
And very technically I do have a business class connection. I really don't know though because it's billed through my rent. But I would assume that anybody wiring an entire apartment with symmetrical 10mps could only find an isp willing to wire it as business usage.
My ISP is wintek and to paraphrase my landlord "We don't care just don't download kiddy porn" | |
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IPingUPing
N4BFR
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join:2002-08-30
Smyrna, GA
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| What P2P is is just a way for cheap companies to push the connectivity costs off to the users and ISP's. If you want to distribute a patch for your game buy a pipe or don't get in the business. I can probably count on my hand the legitimate users of P2P, let's be real about this. | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
 ·Cox HSI
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1 edit | said by bereasonable :
what point are you trying to make? p2p started before broadband -- so what? go try to download a 600mb demo on dial up and tell me how many days it takes. So what? Just because you can't wait for a download, doesn't mean that slower methods aren't viable.
said by bereasonable :
have you played on-line games using dial up? try it then come back and make a point.
In fact, yes, I have played on-line games over dial up. I've played them on dial-up (anyone remember the old acoustic-coupler modems?), ISDN, DSL and on OC links (I've played online games since the late 80s). What's your point? Depending on how well the game is coded for a given media will dictate how well the game plays on that media. What used to really suck was playing on a fast link versus people on slower links because of the way that games used to compensate for the slower clients.
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
1 edit | said by r81984 :p2p started way before broadband. I used to use napster on my dial up way before broadband was popular or even close to being widespread. I had Cox@Home in late 1996...before Napster was a wet spot on the mattress. No, P2P didn't start way before broadband.
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stickstickly
@insightBB.com | Re: Great Plan And USENET and IRC were around long before Cox@Home, so what's your point? | |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
·Cox HSI
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| Re: Great Plan said by stickstickly :
And USENET and IRC were around long before Cox@Home, so what's your point?
You're forgetting about FTP and FSP. Not exactly P2P, but they were popular for grabbing files.
-tom
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
1 edit | said by stickstickly :
And USENET and IRC were around long before Cox@Home, so what's your point?
That P2P isn't the reason people have broadband as asserted here »Great Plan
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Galford
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join:2001-02-24
Kingstree, SC
clubs: | he is right i had napsters too and audiogalaxy and winmx long before Bellsouth rolled out its DSL | |
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