ke4pym
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC
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 ·RoadRunner Cable
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Re: Great Plan
said by some guy :
p2p users will switch ports
they aren't that stupid
p2p is the reason people buy broadband-no p2p, no customers
Well, they are, if they switch ports on a network that has wire speed deep packet inspection devices on it.... (read: they'll still get blocked). |
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diablc
join:2004-12-31
Conyers, GA
| reply to nixen
no tom... my job isn't in the porn industry, where you might you use tons of bandwith sneaking aways from your wife in the middle of the night... I am actually in the navy... my ENTIRE ships shares a T1 connection in port. and everyone seems to be able to read their emails and go to ebay, and google just fine. |
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diablc
join:2004-12-31
Conyers, GA | reply to Joe123456789
I am sure people see a gigantic difference in the search times on google when you have a 6mb connection over a 1.5mb connection... |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
·Cox HSI
 ·Speakeasy
| reply to diablc
A job in the porn industry isn't necessary to be helped by or require a broadband connection.
Then again, from the sounds of things, you aren't doing telepresence-based work. So, from your limited experience, you apparently haven't encountered situations where having more than a single-user dedicated T1's worth of bandwidth is either helpful or required.
-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased) |
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diablc
join:2004-12-31
Conyers, GA
| pcanywhere and gotomypc all can work with dialup... still you aren't transfering a gig of of infomation daily to warrant anything above 1.5... i probably transfer more with my xbox in a day of playing halo than most people who don't use p2p, usenet, or online gaming than most people in a week easy... That's why i have a 6 mb connection... because while playing i still need to finish that 4 gig file i need to upgrade my linux. |
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Goober
Premium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL | I have an 8Mb connection because I like my internet fast for the times I use it. Nothing wrong with that.
I also have 6 PCS, an Xbox and 2 ReplayTVs all networked and possibly accessing the internet. No P2P. |
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RuralCentrNY
join:2005-09-12
Remsen, NY
| reply to bereasonable
Problem is it wouldn't be profitable to support only hardcore users. You need mostly people who just do a little browsing, etc. to support that 5% of people who use over 50% of the bandwidth (or whatever that statistic is, I know it's something fairly close to that).
And as far as the P2P discussion goes, it honestly got big right about at the same point that broadband became widely available to most any type of city area. I remember this being somewhere around '98-'99, but we were in a very small city..
But usenet, FTP, http and maybe even gopher if I remember right were a way to get lots of legit and non-legit stuff for years and years before that. |
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Goober
Premium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL | Right you are. My earliest recollection of grabbing files goes back to the usenet and gopher days. 1989 is my earliest recollection. |
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bent
not broken
Premium
join:2004-10-04
Loveland, CO
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| reply to diablc
You obviously can't conceive of any other use for broadband connections. I don't telecommute, other than occasionally VPN tunneling in to the network at the office. What I do is research, and it often involves very large PDF, or graphics heavy pages, or many page loads. Every second I can shave off of every action makes me more efficient, and being more efficient means that I make more money. I can absolutely tell the difference between my 1.5/768 dsl at the office and my 6meg cable connection at home.
You're in the Navy? Well, then it's time to grow up, be a man, and recognise that there are other uses for a high speed connection that you might know nothing about.
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This snowflake tastes like fish sticks - Ralph Wiggum |
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Fatal Vector
@sfldmi.ameritech
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And, here we go with the "anonymous post" comeback again.I think you need to get a clue, myself. Seems that you believe that anyone who disagrees with you, or, any "Member" of this forum automatically posts anonymously. Myself, I dont see the difference in being registered or not. It's still my opinion and, if the operators of this site thought like you, there would be no anonymous posting, now would there? Perhaps there is so as to stir up the pot and encourage fresh thinking from time to time?
But, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong, even though it's unlikely. But then, you feel free to pay through the nose for your "premium" membership for whatever "extras" and such that it gives you. |
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Fatal Vector
@sfldmi.ameritech
| reply to heels_fan
since it's Halloween, I'll play "Devils advocate"
The only reason anyone would go over a 300 Gb cap is if they were running a commercial server of some kind, spamming, serving pirated software, using a residential connection for business use, etc. Somehow, I just cant see what the hell anyone would be downloading with bit torrent either to use that much capacity, allthough I'm sure a few could find something.
The average Joe box of rocks is not going to come anywhere near that on a monthly basis and the fact is, you are not supposed to be doing such things on a residential connection, now are you? The ISP has every legitimate reason to stop you hogging bandwith that you shouldn't be hogging. If you're running a server, etc, then you are supposed to be on a business connection, aren't you?
I love watching the pseudo intellectuals here allways whining about how they need more bandwidth and speed, when in reality, most of them dont fully utilize the speed they allready have It's the same mindset as when Intel and AMD were selling CPU's on the basis of speed and I bet they were some of the ones allways "upgrading" time after time every few months because they just HAD to be on the "bleeding edge".
Note how the speed game is currently non existent except, perhaps, in the marketing of video cards to the gamers who still have that same mindset, since business and consumer got wise to the markrting ploy and, also note how the prices of computers have come crashing down, especially with the flood of older P2's and P3's, which are still quite usable for most people, on the market.
I suppose the answer is, as allways: If you go for the marketing scam, you deserve what you get. If you want truly "unlimited" Bandwidth, then you are going to have to pay for it by getting a business connection. To the average joe, 300 GB a month IS unlimited. To the few of you who do use that kind of bandwidth, it's not. |
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Fluker
join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN
1 edit | I actually would say I don't use what I have "just because its there". I do have a somewhat top of the line computer but it serves a purpose. I have 500 gigs in storage and a 3000+ overclocked cpu, but this is because video editing is my main need for pushing my computer to its limits. I spent about as little as possible getting a radeon 7000 video card because that is all I really need.
check indyskate.com and about 90% of the videos found on that site were captured in dv, edited, and uploaded from this computer. Grabbing pictures and videos not found on the site from my computers is the larger part of why my bandwidth usage is so high and FTP'ing a 4gb avi to and from other people that like to play with video is not uncommon for me.
And very technically I do have a business class connection. I really don't know though because it's billed through my rent. But I would assume that anybody wiring an entire apartment with symmetrical 10mps could only find an isp willing to wire it as business usage.
My ISP is wintek and to paraphrase my landlord "We don't care just don't download kiddy porn" |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
·Cox HSI
·Speakeasy
1 edit | reply to Fatal Vector
said by Fatal Vector :
But then, you feel free to pay through the nose for your "premium" membership for whatever "extras" and such that it gives you.
Wasn't aware that a one-time $10 fee was "through the nose". Then again, I'm not from some backwards-assed part of the world where $10 is considered such big money as to be classed "thorugh the nose". If you had a spouse or kids, I imagine they must just love gift-giving holidays.
As to why I voluntarily pay for a service that is free? It's to try to help support something that is fundamentally a good service. There's lots of things that I hit the "donate" button for that I technically don't have to. Then again, I was brought up not to be a freaking free-loader. I was brought up to try to show at least a modicum of appreciation for good efforts. Obviously, our upbringings differed.
-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased) |
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Fatal Vector
@sfldmi.ameritech
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Now see? A perfect example:
"Then again, I'm not from some backwards-assed part of the world where $10 is considered such big money as to be classed "thorugh the nose". If you had a spouse or kids, I imagine they must just love gift-giving holidays."
You profess to be intelligent, yet you have to resort to this kind of attack and belittle type of post, instead of saying something intelligent, or, attempting to engage me in conversation. What's the matter? Did I hurt your widdle feelings?
"Then again, I was brought up not to be a freaking free-loader. I was brought up to try to show at least a modicum of appreciation for good efforts. Obviously, our upbringings differed."
Isn't that nice? Yes, it is your privlege to pay for something that is free if you like, it just doesn't necessarilly make you very smart. I'm sure that the operators of this site do very well as far as income goes, with their ads, membership fees and what not. The point that seems to escape you is that the operators of this board allow anonymous posting and set no apparent limit on same, I would assume because they feel that such posts have the potential to raise the quality of the board. That being the case, one cannot be a "freeloader" if one is allowed to use the board in this manner, now can one? Since it stands to reason that if the operators of this board did not want "freeloaders" on their site, they would not allow anonymous posting.
I have no clue as to your upbringing. However, it does seem to me from a general perusal of your posts that you are a somewhat angry individual. However, I wont ask why that is because, frankly, I dont care and, in any case, I'm not going to lower myself to the same tactics that you seem to like.
There is one thing about such tactics I will comment on, however. They are a sign of a intellectually bankrupt mind that has nothing of substance to add and is, in the end, nothing but childish lashing out. |
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