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Galford
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Re: Great Plan

he is right i had napsters too and audiogalaxy and winmx long before Bellsouth rolled out its DSL


djrobx

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p2p is the reason people buy broadband-no p2p, no customers
I most certainly did not get broadband for P2P. Hell, half the time I use P2P the files dribble in so slow it might as well be dialup.

Instant, always-on, low latency, internet connectivity is why I like broadband. The ability to remotely access computers and access my own remotely, and to download big software and updates quickly is probably the best things about it for me. I know plenty of nontechnical families with broadband. They just like the faster web browsing without the need to tie up a line or wait for a connection. The minimal speed plans are ideal for most of them.
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Goober
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reply to bereasonable
said by bereasonable :

then why pay for high speed if you are "garden variety" users??? there's just absolutely no point to having high speed if all you do is read blogs and upload school projects, send emails... blah blah blah... people use bt for legit reasons, some don't. there's no way to police what is legit and what isn't. take for example 3dgamers.com where you can download updates for games and demos via BT. are you saying i should wait 5 weeks to download a 300mb demo, paying 45.00$ a month for "HIGH SPEED" ???
I'm not saying anything about what YOU can do. I'm just saying that there're many more uses for broadband than p2p.

I'm 40 years old, I'm not just reading blogs and uploading school projects. And that may just point to the difference in thought.

Kiddees may not have any other reason for high speed access, but those that aren't under 15 years old have potentially more useful things to do on the internet.


Goober
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said by oliphant See Profile :

said by r81984 See Profile :

p2p started way before broadband. I used to use napster on my dial up way before broadband was popular or even close to being widespread.
I had Cox@Home in late 1996...before Napster was a wet spot on the mattress. No, P2P didn't start way before broadband.
Absolutely agreed. I started with Flashcom 416/416 SDSL from Northpoint back in late 1996.

diablc

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reply to djrobx
said by djrobx See Profile :

quote:
p2p is the reason people buy broadband-no p2p, no customers
I most certainly did not get broadband for P2P. Hell, half the time I use P2P the files dribble in so slow it might as well be dialup.

Instant, always-on, low latency, internet connectivity is why I like broadband. The ability to remotely access computers and access my own remotely, and to download big software and updates quickly is probably the best things about it for me. I know plenty of nontechnical families with broadband. They just like the faster web browsing without the need to tie up a line or wait for a connection. The minimal speed plans are ideal for most of them.
if your not using p2p and you have anything over 1.5mbps you are wasting your money... plain and simple... you don't need 6.0mbps to down a powerpoint presentation... you people make me laugh.... I have my connection for 3 reasons... to play xbox, p2p, and newsgroups... everything else i can use my sprint cell phone to do... for a lot less.... I remember connecting to BBS back in the day, i was only like 8 or so, but i remembered why i want a the new zoom 9600 baud modem, because i could download civlization 1 a whole lot quicker than my hayes 4800 baud modem.

If it takes you a month to transfer 1-2 gigs of junk, and you are paying $50 a month... you might as well put a supercharger and a racing wing on a geo metro. it works about the same...


heels_fan
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reply to G_Poobah
Broadband internet use is so overated


dvd536
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said by some guy :

p2p users will switch ports

they aren't that stupid

p2p is the reason people buy broadband-no p2p, no customers
port wont matter when they're blocking it at the packet level.
edit: typo


alg
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reply to oliphant
said by oliphant See Profile :

Yes, you are easily confused.
I was thinking the same thing.


alg
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reply to LittlePoohBah
said by LittlePoohBah :

You need to get out more. There's actually other things to do then seeing how much you use the internet on a week to week basis. Try getting a girlfriend
High download numbers =! lot of time on the computer.


IPingUPing
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reply to bereasonable
What P2P is is just a way for cheap companies to push the connectivity costs off to the users and ISP's. If you want to distribute a patch for your game buy a pipe or don't get in the business. I can probably count on my hand the legitimate users of P2P, let's be real about this.


nixen
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reply to bereasonable
said by bereasonable :

then why pay for high speed if you are "garden variety" users??? there's just absolutely no point to having high speed if all you do is read blogs and upload school projects, send emails... blah blah blah...
Sorry, but P2P isn't the only reason to have big bandwidth. There are those of us who actually use our broadband for work. Telepresence and telecommuting both benefit greatly from broadband. This is especially so if you're having to work with graphical applications that run remotely but display locally.

-tom
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nixen
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reply to oliphant
said by oliphant See Profile :

Yes, you are easily confused.
Which probably explains the anonymous post: couldn't figure out how to register.

-tom
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nixen
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reply to bereasonable
said by bereasonable :

what point are you trying to make? p2p started before broadband -- so what? go try to download a 600mb demo on dial up and tell me how many days it takes.
So what? Just because you can't wait for a download, doesn't mean that slower methods aren't viable.

said by bereasonable :

have you played on-line games using dial up? try it then come back and make a point.
In fact, yes, I have played on-line games over dial up. I've played them on dial-up (anyone remember the old acoustic-coupler modems?), ISDN, DSL and on OC links (I've played online games since the late 80s). What's your point? Depending on how well the game is coded for a given media will dictate how well the game plays on that media. What used to really suck was playing on a fast link versus people on slower links because of the way that games used to compensate for the slower clients.

-tom
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nixen
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reply to stickstickly
said by stickstickly :

And USENET and IRC were around long before Cox@Home, so what's your point?
You're forgetting about FTP and FSP. Not exactly P2P, but they were popular for grabbing files.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)


nixen
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reply to G_Poobah
said by G_Poobah See Profile :

yes, but I'll encrypt my traffic, then they can't tell what kind of traffic it is..

It's coming, it can't be stopped.
One needn't see the packet payload to derive a throttleable utilization pattern from the data sent.

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)


oliphant
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reply to stickstickly
said by stickstickly :

And USENET and IRC were around long before Cox@Home, so what's your point?
That P2P isn't the reason people have broadband as asserted here »Great Plan
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nixen
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reply to diablc
said by diablc See Profile :

if your not using p2p and you have anything over 1.5mbps you are wasting your money... plain and simple... you don't need 6.0mbps to down a powerpoint presentation... you people make me laugh.... I have my connection for 3 reasons... to play xbox, p2p, and newsgroups...
The words of someone that doesn't use their broadband for their job. Your three reasons sound like the reasons of someone that still lives with mommy and daddy (or, at least off their largesse).

-tom
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"Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)


stomp357

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reply to diablc
if your not using p2p and you have anything over 1.5mbps you are wasting your money... plain and simple... you don't need 6.0mbps to down a powerpoint presentation... you people make me laugh.... I have my connection for 3 reasons... to play xbox, p2p, and newsgroups... everything else i can use my sprint cell phone to do... for a lot less.... I remember connecting to BBS back in the day, i was only like 8 or so, but i remembered why i want a the new zoom 9600 baud modem, because i could download civlization 1 a whole lot quicker than my hayes 4800 baud modem.

If it takes you a month to transfer 1-2 gigs of junk, and you are paying $50 a month... you might as well put a supercharger and a racing wing on a geo metro. it works about the same...

I have BS DSL Extreme, and I never use P2P as it is only as fast as ISDN, or slower. I get better results from Usenet. My broadband is for gaming, and file downloads (not from P2P). I need unlimited, instant bandwidth to the point where only the computer's bus architecture is the bottleneck.

Joe123456789

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reply to diablc
said by diablc See Profile :

said by djrobx See Profile :

if your not using p2p and you have anything over 1.5mbps you are wasting your money... plain and simple... you don't need 6.0mbps to down a powerpoint presentation... you people make me laugh.... I have my connection for 3 reasons... to play xbox, p2p, and newsgroups...
What about windows update?
How Big will the visa updates be?

ricep5
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reply to some guy
Why should Bell South care what I do on a DSL line?

If I need more phone lines to make more voice calls, they don't care what I am talking about on them, I pay, they provide.

If I want to watch 150 channels on Comcast, do they care? I pay, they provide.

This provincial posture on data services is driving me nuts.
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