r81984
Tough to beat.
Premium
join:2001-11-14
Morgan City, LA
 ·Cox HSI
·Insight Communicat..
 ·AT&T Midwest
| Providers need to change.
ISP's sould not be allowed to advertise unlimited service if they are going to bitch about people maxing out their connection.
There just needs to be a new law that forces companies to advertise their service as bandwidth capped, speed throttled, or Anti VOIP instead of unlimited if they practice these deceptive tactics. |
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The Way Out
join:2003-01-20
| If you want it that way, you should be prepared to pay for bandwidth on a per-megabit basis like everyone else does in the wholesale bandwidth market. If you're buying less than 10MBit, expect to pay between $100 and $250/Mbit. Don't forget to pay for the crossconnect between the provider and your home, and the 1 year contract so you don't jump ship.
The fact of the matter is that you're already getting a bargain at $15/mo for 1.5Mbit service (or even $50/mo for 8Mbit service). $10/Mbit is very cheap for Internet access. Get over yourself. |
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amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| reply to r81984
agreed.
besides, voice packets are still just sent as packets with maybe a higher priority... it's not like someone's upping a (huge) file to many people/connections at once all night long.
this' one tiny little fraction of bandwidth... my net2phone for instance only up's about 10-24KB/sec. ...that's peanuts compared to the full 512kb (about 40KB in actuality) space on standard cox high speed. |
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bkhorn
2b1-Ask1
Premium,MVM
join:2000-03-24
Easton, PA
clubs:
| reply to The Way Out
That's like saying you can have all you can eat but only 1 piece of this and 1 piece of that. Unlimited is like All You Can Eat. NO Limits! Other wise it is false advertising.
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Sgtslaughtr
join:2005-08-29
Knox, IN
| reply to The Way Out
said by The Way Out  :The fact of the matter is that you're already getting a bargain at $15/mo for 1.5Mbit service (or even $50/mo for 8Mbit service). $10/Mbit is very cheap for Internet access. Get over yourself. $15 for 1.5 where the are you? I pay $55 for 384/1.5 thru sprint.
Anyways, two months ago I was downloading/uploading constantly with Bittorrent and I bet I had at least 300GB of transfer and sprint aint said a damn thing so I think I'll stick with them. The only other option is mediacom at 256/3000 for $55 a month But I need upload more than download. Not only do I use bittorrent but I host lan parties everyonce and a while....well 4 to 6 people but considering my area thats alot. The majority of people here are all using $299 dells that dont have agp slots so there is no hope for gaming for them. |
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The Way Out
join:2003-01-20
| reply to bkhorn
That's nice. You have two choices:
1.) They advertise unlimited, and you get unlimited. Expect to pay an appropriate amount for "unlimited." Probably somewhere around $100/Mbit. For an 8Mbit cable connection, expect to pay around $800/Month for your completely unlimited 8Mbit connection.
2.) They advertise unlimited, you get some fairly high limited amount. Pay something less than $100/Mbit and shut up.
You guys want cheap and unlimited. It doesn't exist. Get over yourselves. |
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The Way Out
join:2003-01-20 | reply to Sgtslaughtr
That's nice. You're still paying below market value (as far as low-quantity bandwidth goes) for 1.5Mbit of transit. If you need the bandwidth, then pay for it. If not, be happy with what you've got. |
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Tsume
My little Toby.
join:2004-02-23
Winter Park, FL
 ·ViaTalk
·Comcast
·Cox HSI
| reply to The Way Out
I'm pretty sure they want them to stop using the word unlimited when it's not unlimited.
Cheap and unlimited is nice, but doesn't happen. Anyone advertising a cheap service as unlimited is falsely advertising, because that's a service they can't provide. That's the issue here.
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radarman
join:2005-06-01
Odenton, MD
| reply to The Way Out
No, I would actually like an option 3. Sell the service based on what it is - not on hype. If you are only 100Gb/month, then advertise the fact. Don't send a stupid letter months after the fact.
Basically, put the "hidden" caps and what not in the advertising. Hell, I'm not picky - they could print it in that typical 6-point legalese type if they want, just make sure its there.
To me, to offer an unlimited service - with no caveats - is to offer just that. I don't mind the caveats, so long as I am aware of them. I don't expect truly "unlimited" service for only $30-$40/mo - but I do wish ISP's would make the actual limits more clear. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to The Way Out
said by The Way Out :That's nice. You're still paying below market value (as far as low-quantity bandwidth goes) for 1.5Mbit of transit. If you need the bandwidth, then pay for it. If not, be happy with what you've got. No, he's not paying below market value. These are two entirely different markets.
People who pay high dollar for Internet access are businesses and people who use their access to make money. They pay for the reliability and throughput of that connection.
Residential users pay for access and "perks". They pay what they do because most residential users don't use the connection a "data center" would.
Your reasoning is flawed. Apples to oranges.
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vannyx
Premium
join:2003-07-07
Bronx, NY
| reply to The Way Out
First companies wouldnt charge a per bit or byte amount for bandwith a month because alot of cheap people would jump ship and then they would be out of luck. Second all they need to do is remove the word unlimited and state their limits thats it , whats so hard about that. They already have the limits and they harras people who are paying customers about it. When i go to a restuarant and i order food if the price is 23 for prime rib then thats what i want to pay and thats what i expect to get i dont care if it cost you 200 a plate in the back. Its your problem change your business model to be profitable and tell your customers the truth. |
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John Galt
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Oceanside, OR
| reply to DaSneaky1D
said by DaSneaky1D :Residential users pay for access and "perks". They pay what they do because most residential users don't use the connection a "data center" would. Unless they are doing P2P or BT...
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footballdude
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| reply to bkhorn
said by bkhorn :That's like saying you can have all you can eat but only 1 piece of this and 1 piece of that. Unlimited is like All You Can Eat. NO Limits! Other wise it is false advertising. I know people who have been thrown out of all you can eat buffets because they ate extreme amounts of food. What 'all you can eat' means is all the average person would want to eat. Extreme hogs get extreme treatment, like a boot in the rear. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to John Galt
You're a WISP operator. You run under a completely different business model than telco and cableco ISP's.
That's not to say your model or point is flawed, but you have less area to subsidize P2P and BT users than those companies.
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Speedy8
Premium
join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs:
| reply to The Way Out
said by The Way Out :That's nice. You have two choices: 1.) They advertise unlimited, and you get unlimited. Expect to pay an appropriate amount for "unlimited." Probably somewhere around $100/Mbit. For an 8Mbit cable connection, expect to pay around $800/Month for your completely unlimited 8Mbit connection. 2.) They advertise unlimited, you get some fairly high limited amount. Pay something less than $100/Mbit and shut up. You guys want cheap and unlimited. It doesn't exist. Get over yourselves. It doesn't exist? Tell that to SBC, you can download or upload as much as you want. I've also had RR and have never had a problem. It does exist, just not on every ISP that claims "unlimited." |
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braynes
Premium
join:2005-03-14
Waterville, ME | reply to footballdude
WOW you have a circle of friends
Bruce |
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wildcards2000
@verizon.ne
| reply to bkhorn
"That's like saying you can have all you can eat but only 1 piece of this and 1 piece of that. Unlimited is like All You Can Eat. NO Limits! Other wise it is false advertising."
I guess you never been to ALL YOU CAN EAT? They usually post a sign that says 2-3 hour limit.
I agree with most of everyone. If there is a limit, then post it. |
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John Galt
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Oceanside, OR
| reply to DaSneaky1D
said by DaSneaky1D :You're a WISP operator. You run under a completely different business model than telco and cableco ISP's. That's not to say your model or point is flawed, but you have less area to subsidize P2P and BT users than those companies. The problem is still the same, however.
Someone ought to call Bram and tell him that allowing 10,000 connections per IP is a "problem".
Sometimes "users" can't be relied upon to show restraint...
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to bkhorn
said by bkhorn :That's like saying you can have all you can eat but only 1 piece of this and 1 piece of that. Unlimited is like All You Can Eat. NO Limits! Other wise it is false advertising. Like an unnamed restaurant here in phoenix that has it listed like this in their menu.
All you can eat*
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and at the bottom of the menu in small fine print it says
* all you can eat offer limited to two plates.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to r81984
dont worry someday bandwidth will end up needing to be dirt cheap, this true multimedia world they speak of will not happen unless they can provide unlimited symetric 100mbit service for 19.95/mo.
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