DavidJWood
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join:2001-10-12
UK
| reply to BosstonesOwn
Re: Don't you think Verizon is few years late?
said by BosstonesOwn  :said by DavidJWood : 1.2Gbps downstream and 622Mbps upstream PON kit is available commercially - that bandwidth is shared between all the customers on one fibre, cable modem style. David That bandwidth is available per node of 32 customers. Each node has a separate shade of light to use with the same width as previously stated. Thanks for that further clarification. I was inexact in my terminology, in that I presumed each node stood alone from the next somehow, and was using the term "fibre" to describe was between each node and the subscribers.
Using different shades makes sense to me. This puts a figure on the bandwidth per customer that is possible with PON technology today in a Verizon style setup.
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
 ·Verizon Online DSL
4 edits | reply to spurious
Re: Catch
said by spurious : For many people in this country, we suffer extended power outages lasting a lot longer than 8 - 10 hours. Yes, buying a generator would be one solution.... not really viable for some people. Personally, I can last plenty long on food in the cupboards and bottled water on hand.... but having NO communications can be deadly, that being my sole point on the benefits of copper wire landline. Ed In the age of Cell phones it shouldn't be that much of a concern. You can charge your phone in your car as well.
»www.powersystemsdirect.com/Power···_c27.php
My phone lasts 5 days without charging.
I'd venture to say that 99% of people who can afford FIOS will have a cell phone.
And if your suffering those type of outages then you're NOT where FIOS will be deployed as the power grid in larger cities is addressed before outlying areas.
And if it's that big of a issue get a $24 buck inverter for you Car so you can power the ONT in the garage. »www.powersystemsdirect.com/Power···_c27.php
Or Radio Shack »www.radioshack.com/category.asp?···p=search |
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nanogeek
join:2002-12-01
Murrieta, CA
| reply to RustyTheDog
I have FiOS internet and I am still using the old copper line for my phone service, --as I always have. That phone service is from a local company who leases/rents the line from Verizon.
I have my doubts that this dual arrangement will last forever. The local phone company is less expensive than Verizon's phone service. Verizon couldn't come close to matching the local phone service price. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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Re: Don't you think Verizon is few years late?
said by DavidJWood : 1.2Gbps downstream and 622Mbps upstream PON kit is available commercially - that bandwidth is shared between all the customers on one fibre, cable modem style. David That bandwidth is available per node of 32 customers. Each node has a separate shade of light to use with the same width as previously stated.
The CATV width is the same shade across every node for a lack of a better term. While every telephone and internet node gets access to the system the same way except in a different shade.
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
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| reply to spurious
Re: Catch
Sorry I didn't assume that. But what I mean is it will work the same way. I think eventually the government may make it mandatory for companies to provide these generators for fiber it if ever replaces copper all together. If fiber becomes POTS then it will have to follow the same regulations.
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spurious
join:2001-06-09
Florence, OR
| reply to EnasYorl
For many people in this country, we suffer extended power outages lasting a lot longer than 8 - 10 hours. Yes, buying a generator would be one solution.... not really viable for some people. Personally, I can last plenty long on food in the cupboards and bottled water on hand.... but having NO communications can be deadly, that being my sole point on the benefits of copper wire landline.
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DavidJWood
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join:2001-10-12
UK
| reply to tbeckner
Re: Don't you think Verizon is few years late?
More than 10Gbps is possible on fibre circuits, but for those speeds you're talking about 'conventional' two fibre circuits. 400Gbps is possible with DWDM; the theoretical maximum with current DWDM technology, as I understand it, is 1.6Tbps (terabits per second).
FIOS is a PON type system, with a single fibre to the house, and passive splitters. The bandwidth possible is high but not as high as the sort of fibre topologies used for DWDM or even lower tech setups like 10Gbps Ethernet. 1.2Gbps downstream and 622Mbps upstream PON kit is available commercially - that bandwidth is shared between all the customers on one fibre, cable modem style.
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL
2 edits | reply to Tzale
said by Tzale :said by odindvatri :
While everywhere we hear 50, 100 and 1000 speed, here in US we have happy folks who just got 30 megs? My guess with backbone which Verizon has , when they start offering TV , speed will fall. I wouldn't trust them in a long term. I might be wrong, but in my opinion the future is in wireless so Verizon installs they spend billions on will in the near future become obsolete. Keep copper if possible.
You're wrong. TV, Internet and Voice are on separate fiber light bandwidth ranges. Meaning, they don't interfere with each other. You are correct. BPON is a RF overlay where Verizon is using basically the same setup as a CATV provider. All TV channels are modulated RF then put on a Optical Transmitter at 1550nm infrared light (invisible) The ONT on the side of the house converts the light back into a CATV lineup on a COAX in RF form using Frequency Division Multiplexing.
The Data portion is 1490nm and 1310nm for Upstream and downstream traffic.
All these Colors of light ride the same strand of fiber. Two Colors going from the Central Office to the subscriber and the 1310nm goes from all the subscribers back to the Central office. One can assume the downstream channel tells the end users what time slot to transmit back so they do not collide. AKA Time Division Multiplexing. |
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | reply to spurious
Re: Catch
said by spurious : Wrong! What happens when there is an extended power outage? Even assuming the FIOS equipment in your home has small battery, it will go dead sooner or later.... then what? At least with copper, you don't need any power for basic Telco voice service... such as for 911, etc. Get a UPS and Generator. If your power is going to be out over 8 to 10 hours. Then you are going to need power for your Fridge and Freezer or you lose your food.
Battery backups last 8 to 10 hours or more if your not using the phone line to talk. |
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spurious
join:2001-06-09
Florence, OR
| reply to dslwanter
Wrong! What happens when there is an extended power outage? Even assuming the FIOS equipment in your home has small battery, it will go dead sooner or later.... then what? At least with copper, you don't need any power for basic Telco voice service... such as for 911, etc.
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tbeckner
join:2004-03-20
Bend, OR
1 edit | reply to odindvatri
Re: Don't you think Verizon is few years late?
said by odindvatri :
when they start offering TV , speed will fall. Why? FIBER can support 10Gbps today, so when IPTV is active there will not be any reason for the speeds to fall below quote. |
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LeftOfSanity
@208.17.x.x
| reply to King Duck
Re: Catch
::Wanting to be like the cable bashers::
Wow, you must be a shill. How long have you worked for Verizon? You defend them, s they must be lining your pockets. That's the only explanation.
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King Duck
join:2005-04-10
Elizabeth City, NC
| reply to RustyTheDog
1) If you order a service from Verizon, or any other telephone or cable provider for that matter, then it is up to Verizon (or the other provider) how they deliver that service. They could use 2 tincans and a piece of string if they wanted to and provided they could get it to work reliably you'd have no say in the matter!
2) Verizon have made no secret of the FACT that they see fiber as the future and that their intention is to eventually provide every single bit (pun intended) of their wired services over fiber and fully intend to get rid of every inch of copper out there that they own.
3) Should one choose to go with a provider other than Verizon, then any intelligent person can surely see that in this wonderful capitalist society we live in then it follows that you are also choosing to accept the cost of using that other provider, ie if you want to go with a small local telco (one that may not have economies of scale) then you are deliberately, albeit unknowingly, accepting that you will have to pay some or all of the cost for them to get an obsolete copper wire strung out to you.
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
Sweden
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| reply to odindvatri
Re: Don't you think Verizon is few years late?
said by odindvatri :
While everywhere we hear 50, 100 and 1000 speed, here in US we have happy folks who just got 30 megs? My guess with backbone which Verizon has , when they start offering TV , speed will fall. I wouldn't trust them in a long term. I might be wrong, but in my opinion the future is in wireless so Verizon installs they spend billions on will in the near future become obsolete. Keep copper if possible.
You're wrong. TV, Internet and Voice are on separate fiber light bandwidth ranges. Meaning, they don't interfere with each other.
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
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| reply to st7860
Re: Catch
said by st7860 :I wonder what happens if the person sells his/her house and the buyer only wants a landline then what? What would be the difference? It's still the same as a landline only it's over fiber and not copper.
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ablack6596
join:2005-01-28
Scarsdale, NY | reply to st7860
The person orders telephone service, it comes over fiber. However the person doesn't order internet. |
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odindvatri
@rr.com
| reply to RustyTheDog
Don't you think Verizon is few years late?
While everywhere we hear 50, 100 and 1000 speed, here in US we have happy folks who just got 30 megs? My guess with backbone which Verizon has , when they start offering TV , speed will fall. I wouldn't trust them in a long term. I might be wrong, but in my opinion the future is in wireless so Verizon installs they spend billions on will in the near future become obsolete. Keep copper if possible. |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | reply to RustyTheDog
Re: Catch
I wonder what happens if the person sells his/her house and the buyer only wants a landline then what?
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RustyTheDog
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join:2003-05-27
Trenton, NJ | I KNEW there had to be some catch to FIOS. Still can't wait for it though. |
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