3SGTE
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| Universal truths about cars and this forum.
I have come to realize a few "universal truths" about cars, and discussions involving them.
Everyone has preferences, chances are that theirs are different than yours.
Some like loud
Some like quiet
Some like import
Some like domestic
Some like old
Some like new
Some like auto
Some like manual
The list goes on.
We can all learn from each other, but we need to respect each other's choices.
There is a ton out there to learn, and I suspect that there is a great deal of experience here to share too.
Respect needs to be the first requirement for this forum.
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mau108
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mattmag
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said by 3SGTE  :We can all learn from each other, but we need to respect each other's choices. There is a ton out there to learn, and I suspect that there is a great deal of experience here to share too. Respect needs to be the first requirement for this forum. Well said!!!!!
Borrowing my esteemed colleague's podium here, I am in full agreement. This forum has the potential to provide many people with expert-quality, to-the-point free advice from experienced folks in the auto industry. I would hate to see it fall into the wayside from threads that turned into flame-wars, and thus turn away those who are here to try and help.
Respect those choices. It will pay off handily in the long run!!!
-Matt |
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Warzau
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Naperville, IL
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October 9th, @12:16AM
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Actually that is true about life in general. I can state the same thing in re to Computer,Sports,Name Brands. I think the valid point made by 3sGTE is not everyone has the same likes, but respect is something we all can learn. Don't like the topic move on... |
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Thorax
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join:2003-09-13
Huntington Beach, CA
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Agreed.
3sgte, you've already earned my respect as you seem to have a solid head on your shoulders, I've never said that lightly in my life, I mean it.
I'll try and make myself available to answer questions in here, I've been a pro mechanic for 25 years+ and have factory training by so many oem's I forget a few every time I list them 
Yes, I have access to alldata and mitchell, (ahem, about 10 oem's factory secure logins too ) and although I'd get in trouble posting a screenshot (and just won't even go there anyway) I can relay data
I won't lie and say I can accuratly diagnose a vehicle issue thru text, I can point you in a solid direction. |
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big greg
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Boston, MA
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Thank you for bringing this up. MrFixitCT and I are not going to let this forum turn into some kind of free for all or purely social forum.
Because this was a new forum, we started out without any Forum Guidelines. Now that we have seen a few days of posts, we have come up with a list of rules for the forum, last revised on Friday.
Please take a moment and review the forum rules if you haven't checked them in the last couple of days. Also, please use the "hey mods" link if you see a post that doesn't follow those rules.
Besides respect for others, there's another thing that should be obvious, and isn't in the rules: Don't give advice if you don't know what you are talking about.
I would like to thank those professionals who have been helping in this forum. You guys are adding a lot here, and we appreciate your help very much!
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Johkal
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Unfortunately, people who disrespect others for the opinions they hold will not care about what you posted. A sad but realistic truth.
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bobrk
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San Jose, CA | I'm sure we can deal with people like this with judicious use of the "hey mods" link on the offending post. |
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kim
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join:2001-03-25
S. Ontario | reply to 3SGTE
They're all fridge wannabee's  |
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rockotman
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said by big greg :Besides respect for others, there's another thing that should be obvious, and isn't in the rules: Don't give advice if you don't know what you are talking about. This could be a real problem. I've already noticed some "advice" being given that is counter to everything that I ever learned as a mechanic. I may not be up to snuff on a lot of the newer electronic jimcrackery that is used on today's cars, and I will freely admit it if I do not, and will refrain from posting in such a case. But I also know BS when I see it.
Can someone recommend a tactful way of indicating that something they see posted is flat-out technically wrong? A method that will not ruffle feathers?
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big greg
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| If you recognize bad advice, be very sure that you are 100% correct.
Here's your options.
Your first option is to go ahead and calmly and clearly point out the bad advice. Be sure to back up what you say: include the reasons why you think why the advice is bad. Include what you think is the right advice. Keep the emotions out of your post. We are seeing this from time to time and it seems to be going well.
If you don't feel comfortable doing that, go ahead and use the hey mods link, and a moderator will have a look. Don't be afraid to do a hey mod, but be sure there is a real problem and not just a difference of opinion. The mod may moderate or delete the post... or may do nothing. In any case, after doing the hey mod, just move on. DO NOT reply to the post you just did the hey mod on. Just move on and let a mod take care of it. I have taken action as a result of a hey mod already, so that part of the system works
Your final option is to just ignore the bad advice, and give what you believe is good advice. Of course we encourage advice, but only if you are qualified to give advice on the subject. |
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MikeKolo
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You are so right rockotman. In the years I've been a tech I've worked with people that have skills and knowledge ranging from not knowing what a wheel bearing is to triple A.S.E. master techs. The thing I've always told my customers is if you talk to a mechanic and they say they know everything no matter how many years they've been in the business you'd be smart to look somewhere else.
This business is constantly changing and the way things are done and the way systems work is constantly going in different directions. The one thing that stays constant is the manner we as technicians handle those changes and apply our basic skills to achieve a result which is to diagnose/repair the problem.
I tell every apprentice I train, every tech working for me and every customer that no question is stupid except the one you don't ask. The same goes for answers. It's up to us as professionals to not only discern what is relevent and what is not but to use tact and cander to help not only the apprentice level people here to understand what is right and what may be wrong but help eachother learn that there are different ways to do things. The internet is a wonderful place and affords us all the ablity to share views and concepts.
I've heard mechanics say "I've done it that way for years" and my response to them was maybe there's a better way. As a professional I've leaned I don't know it all and never will due to the dynamics of the automotive indusdtry. All I can do is take in what I see and use it to the best of my ability.
The people that post things we know are not correct also need what we have to offer and hopefully are open to suggestion. I've seen the way people handle things here and I have no doubt that things will be addressed in a professional manner. We're all in this together. |
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Bully_73
join:2005-12-04
Netherlands
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Re: Universal truths about cars and this forum.
word fron the NL: well said.... World would be an (even more) ugly place if everyone liked the same....
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MrFixitCT
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all that being said, one other thought, this forum is for auto "tech" chat.. It's a fine line sometimes between "tech" and "social" chat hence the moves into the "social chat" forums. There are no hard and fast guidelines for big greg and I to use to discern between the two so let's just say we do our best and let the chips fall where they may..
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jimahrens
join:2002-05-30
Owego, NY | reply to MikeKolo
right
sometimes I dont know what from the whatever and I be doing it for a few years
always be ready to learn and never consider what you know to "hold true" forever |
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MrFixitCT
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Guilford, CT |  (topic move) Universal truths about cars and this forum.
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3SGTE
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Re: Universal truths about cars and this forum.
As a "heads-up" for new posters, there is a common spelling mistake that is sure to attract unwanted attention.
"Brakes" are what stop your car.
If something "breaks", it stops working.
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Time4aNAP
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Des Plaines, IL | reply to 3SGTE
Everyone has their preferences, of course. But the most universal truth is that regardless of the topic, "I am right and you are wrong."
You know it's true.  |
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