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Re: WiFi NOT a fundamental right; SF mayor an idiot:
Looks like "Retire Rich" has a new name, but the same Conservative pro-free market rhetoric.
Internet access is very quickly becoming a necessity for productivity, particularly in the San Francisco area. The dislike of the idea of broadband as a utility stems from a love of profit and a hatred of government getting in the way of that profit.
I'm sure the fact he's a Democrat doesn't hurt Rich's dislike much, either.
Is a man an "idiot" for suggesting access to the most revolutionary technology in the history of man should be a right? Is he really? I might suggest it's actually rather visionary. |
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qdemn7
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| said by Minister  :Is a man an "idiot" for suggesting access to the most revolutionary technology in the history of man should be a right? Is he really? I might suggest it's actually rather visionary. Yes he's an idiot. 
Yes he REALLY is. 
If that's visionary, then I suggest the idiot needs glasses, or maybe a seeing-eye dog.
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Omega
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Re: WiFi NOT a fundamental right; SF mayor an idio
said by Minister :Is a man an "idiot" for suggesting access to the most revolutionary technology in the history of man should be a right? Is he really? I might suggest it's actually rather visionary. Yes.
If free wireless internet is a right, then free cable TV should be a right. I should get a free cell phone and cell phone service, it's my right.
Even basic utilities are not "rights." You still have to pay for electricity, water and phone service. Why doesn't the mayor claim those should be offered for free? Since free wi-fi is a right getting free electricity to power up the free wi-fi should be a right as well.
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Combat Chuck
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said by Minister :The dislike of the idea of broadband as a utility stems from a love of profit and a hatred of government getting in the way of that profit. And the dislike of profit and desire for government to intervene comes from a childish over-simplistic view of economics and the role profits (and losses) play in increasing the standard of living for everyone; a roll that is totally bypassed once the government decides something that is not a right is and then uses that to play to the publics emotions instead of their brains. Ohh the poor have to get up off their arses to go to the library to get access while the rich sit in their castles hording the broadband, their being oppressed!!
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Topmounter
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It is not a "right", providing wireless internet access is not "free", it doesn't magically appear.
The next logical step is that owning a laptop will be a "right" so they can take advantage of their "right" to wireless internet access.
Then SF will be required by the courts to distribute "free" laptops to everyone so they can enjoy their "right" to wireless internet access.
Of course to run those laptops, the "right" to 120V power will be mandated and the city will be installing 120V power outlets at every street corner and alley in the city.
If you want access to "the most revolutionary technology in the history of man" and don't want to pay to provide or use it, then go to the public library.
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Combat Chuck
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said by Omega :Even basic utilities are not "rights." You still have to pay for electricity, water and phone service. Well they basically tried that in CA before with electricity (misnamed it "deregulation"), and they ran shortages. Of course no one saw that coming like a freight train horns-a-blaring.
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Jehu
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MA | reply to Minister
yep, idiot.
Why are you flaming someone who has not even posted here???
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pnh102
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Re: WiFi NOT a fundamental right; SF mayor an idiot:
said by Minister :Is a man an "idiot" for suggesting access to the most revolutionary technology in the history of man should be a right? Wifi is the most revolutionary technology in the history of man? That's a little bit of an overstatement if I've ever heard of one. Is Wifi also more popular than Jesus, Mohamed, Shiva and Buddha combined?
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Titus Pullo
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Re: WiFi NOT a fundamental right; SF mayor an idio
said by Combat Chuck :said by Minister :The dislike of the idea of broadband as a utility stems from a love of profit and a hatred of government getting in the way of that profit. And the dislike of profit and desire for government to intervene comes from a childish over-simplistic view of economics and the role profits (and losses) play in increasing the standard of living for everyone; a roll that is totally bypassed once the government decides something that is not a right is and then uses that to play to the publics emotions instead of their brains. Ohh the poor have to get up off their arses to go to the library to get access while the rich sit in their castles hording the broadband, their being oppressed!! You wouldn't know economic theory and its relation to quality of living if it bit you in the ass and fed you breakfast. Your criteria is HSI and a car with gas to make it to the library, while someone else may simply want a warm room this winter AND their medicine while working 40 hours, check to check.
You, and those that hold your opinion, are exemplary of a growing segment of this society that extols their intolerance as a virtue; you're simply rehashing Social Darwinism under the guise of corporate/political dogma. It is currently not the have-nots that hate, Sir, it is the haves that hate those without. Virtue has no price; perhaps that's why you've none.
If you're so sure of your understanding of the relationship between economics (in this case capitalism) and the quality of living it provides, please explain for us how a world economic superpower (that also happens to be one of the most religious industrialized nations in the world) has nearly the highest infant mortality rate within the same class of nations?
You can't.
Why not? Because your theory of economics and any "increased standard of living" don't belong in the same sentence. Your world view is polluted by an angry and hate-filled intolerant rhetoric: intolerance for those that have less and hatred for those that want to help those with less attain more. Whether this is born of self loathing or ignorance is up to the reader. The only thing you give freely is your indignation towards any level of indigence.
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John Galt
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Re: WiFi NOT a fundamental right; SF mayor an idiot:
said by pnh102 :Is Wifi also more popular than Jesus, Mohamed, Shiva and Buddha combined? On this site it is...!
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Re: WiFi NOT a fundamental right; SF mayor an idio
said by Combat Chuck :said by Minister :The dislike of the idea of broadband as a utility stems from a love of profit and a hatred of government getting in the way of that profit. And the dislike of profit and desire for government to intervene comes from a childish over-simplistic view of economics and the role profits (and losses) play in increasing the standard of living for everyone; Both views are overly-simplistic and childish views economics because both views ignore the weaknesses of their paradigms...
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Combat Chuck
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said by Titus Pullo :You, and those that hold your opinion, are exemplary of a growing segment of this society that extols their intolerance as a virtue. Sigh, if only scientists looked at everything with the level of emotion you fools looked at everything we would have all starved to death long ago worrying about the suffering of wheat.
I'd love to know how the belief that profits, as a reward for those who do more with less, therefore lowering the costs of living (Hyundai anyone?) and losses, as the door hitting those who haven't on the ass on the way out, is intolerant. It's not, that's just your way of keeping people from taking a step back and looking at the situation from a realistic (ie: not emotional) standpoint.
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calvoiper
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said by Titus Pullo :... please explain for us how [the US] has nearly the highest infant mortality rate within the same class of nations? The key to your misleading question is your inclusion of "the same class of nations" as a qualifier. If you really want to compare economics, compare those nations with established capitalist societies with those nations that depend on other economic theory--and I include corruption as a theory, so don't discount it. If you have a specific point to make about the US within its "class", you need to be more explicit and less verbose in making it.
said by Titus Pullo :hatred for those that want to help those with less attain more. Let me ask you this: Which party profits more by having a large underclass that votes reliably for the Democratic party? I mean, let's face it--if half of the "have nots" got enough to be "have somethings" then they would become taxpayers and some of them would probably vote Republican--much to the distress of the Democratic party. So much better instead to make sure they are fully dependent on government largess and will vote reliably for the party which encourages government dependence.
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calvoiper
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Then again, one could consider the relevant success and/or failure of the economics of capitalism and socialism as practiced by two resource rich nations (the US and the USSR) and their respective NATO and Warsaw Pact followers.
That would, of course, confuse the theorists with the results of actual implementation.
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calvoiper
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| reply to John Galt
Re: WiFi NOT a fundamental right; SF mayor an idiot:
Not that I agree with the original poster's premise, but I believe he was speaking of the Internet as the "most revolutionary technology," and WiFi was the "access" to it.
At least it reads less crazy that way.
calvoiper
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Titus Pullo
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Re: WiFi NOT a fundamental right; SF mayor an idio
said by Combat Chuck :said by Titus Pullo :You, and those that hold your opinion, are exemplary of a growing segment of this society that extols their intolerance as a virtue. Sigh, if only scientists looked at everything with the level of emotion you fools looked at everything we would have all starved to death long ago worrying about the suffering of wheat. I'd love to know how the belief that profits, as a reward for those who do more with less, therefore lowering the costs of living (Hyundai anyone?) and losses, as the door hitting those who haven't on the ass on the way out, is intolerant. It's not, that's just your way of keeping people from taking a step back and looking at the situation from a realistic (ie: not emotional) standpoint. This is your response? and to only 1/20 of my post?
You just keep hittin 'em out of the park. Don't you, Chuck?
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bmn
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said by calvoiper :Then again, one could consider the relevant success and/or failure of the economics of capitalism and socialism as practiced by two resource rich nations (the US and the USSR) and their respective NATO and Warsaw Pact followers. One could... The problem with doing that, however, is that how one defines economic success and failure is not objective, but pure a subjective exercise. It depends on what one views as important. For example, is employment level an important factor or not?
That would, of course, confuse the theorists with the results of actual implementation. Everything looks good on paper... Its taking it from paper to practice where the problem is.
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calvoiper
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Belvedere Tiburon, CA | I was thinking about which nation and which alliance survived, and which ones shattered....
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bmn
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| said by calvoiper :I was thinking about which nation and which alliance survived, and which ones shattered.... Ahh, but, would that not be a function of governing style and less of economic style ?
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John Galt
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said by Titus Pullo :This is your response? and to only 1/20 of my post? You just keep hittin 'em out of the park. Don't you, Chuck? He knows a troll when he sees one...
No point wasting time, effort and energy on a zealot.
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