n2jtx
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The U.S. taxpayer built the Internet by funding the ARPANET. There was nothing to prevent some foreign technology such as the French Minitel system from having been adopted worldwide. We just had the better system. If the E.U. or U.N. wants something to govern, they are certainly free to go out and spend some money and develop their own private version of the Internet. In fact, because the E.U. could not control GPS they are planning to build there own version called Galileo. So why not go all the way and build a new Internet as well? In fact, if they adopt IPV6 from the start, they could pretty much guarantee the U.S. will not be on board  ! While oversight by the ITU would probably be acceptable since they have done a very good job with telephone and radio, it would still be subject to the whims of the U.N. and that would be a non-starter.
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PDXPLT
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| said by n2jtx  : While oversight by the ITU would probably be acceptable since they have done a very good job with telephone and radio, it would still be subject to the whims of the U.N. and that would be a non-starter. Can you explain how it would be "subject to the whims of the U.N."?
The ITU operates under its own multi-lateral treaty (i.e., Convention and Constitution), has a separate membership, and a separate budget.
I sure hope no one ever tells folks here that another U.N. Specialized Agency is already responsible for settling Domain Name trademark disputes (WIPO); they'd have a heart attack. |
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sporkme
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| said by PDXPLT :The ITU operates under its own multi-lateral treaty (i.e., Convention and Constitution), has a separate membership, and a separate budget. Ssssshhhh.... stop talking sense. We're busy bashing the UN here. |
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pnh102
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said by PDXPLT :I sure hope no one ever tells folks here that another U.N. Specialized Agency is already responsible for settling Domain Name trademark disputes (WIPO); they'd have a heart attack. We've seen what a disaster that has been. Do we want more of that for the Internet at large?
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pnh102
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said by n2jtx :The U.S. taxpayer built the Internet by funding the ARPANET. The only chance of something as stupid as giving the UN control of the Internet would occur if Jimmy Carter was ever re-elected President. He had no qualms about giving away U.S. taxpayer built things like the Panama Canal after all.
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sporkme
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| said by pnh102 :said by n2jtx :The U.S. taxpayer built the Internet by funding the ARPANET. The only chance of something as stupid as giving the UN control of the Internet would occur if Jimmy Carter was ever re-elected President. He had no qualms about giving away U.S. taxpayer built things like the Panama Canal after all. So how do you give away something that is a collection of private networks? Some owned by ferners, I might add...
So in a round about way I guess you guys are thanking the Dems for pushing for NSFNet, huh? Good for you! It worked out pretty well, didn't it? |
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LinuxJunkie
join:2005-01-19
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Since you have such a great perspective on things, tell me why we should feel obligated to hand over the creative control to something that WE spent time developing, WE spent our own money to develop and that WE have allowed other countries to access since it was privatized? Just like a bunch of crackheads on welfare, the other "nations" in the U.N. want all the benefits without having to do any of the work. |
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LinuxJunkie
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Yeah, it worked out great. The NSFnet was disbanded in 1995. What a phenomenal waste of money! |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
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said by LinuxJunkie :Since you have such a great perspective on things, tell me why we should feel obligated to hand over the creative control to something that WE spent time developing, WE spent our own money to develop and that WE have allowed other countries to access since it was privatized? Just like a bunch of crackheads on welfare, the other "nations" in the U.N. want all the benefits without having to do any of the work. Perhaps because it's not true at all?
The very WWW is not American but European. So following your infected (il)logic please, STFU and hand it back. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
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said by pnh102 :said by n2jtx :The U.S. taxpayer built the Internet by funding the ARPANET. The only chance of something as stupid as giving the UN control of the Internet would occur if Jimmy Carter was ever re-elected President. He had no qualms about giving away U.S. taxpayer built things like the Panama Canal after all. Actually the disaster is here: we have a debil lunatic jesusfreak in the White House, surrounded by corporate crook war criminals with no military service whatsoever, playinjg wargames real-time. |
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sporkme
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said by LinuxJunkie :WE have allowed other countries to access since it was privatized? Just like a bunch of crackheads on welfare, the other "nations" in the U.N. want all the benefits without having to do any of the work. What in God's name are you talking about? A private company is free to do business in whatever country it pleases. We "allow" other people to "buy" our "Internet"??? Where is anyone talking about wiring up all of Africa for free? This is about governance, and probably more accurately, DNS. What could possibly be any worse than ICANN? |
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sporkme
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said by LinuxJunkie :Yeah, it worked out great. The NSFnet was disbanded in 1995. What a phenomenal waste of money! You're very short-sighted. Without NFSNet the Internet wouldn't exist. Do you know why it was disbanded? Because private enterprise took over and a government-funded education/research net was no longer needed. Do you not like private enterprise? Would you like a government-funded network? |
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Transmaster
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A recent card Kamm got in the mail. |
said by kamm Actually the disaster is here: we have a debil lunatic jesusfreak in the White House, surrounded by corporate crook war criminals with no military service whatsoever, playinjg wargames real-time.
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This is Kamm's butchie boy. bung holes in love:D
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
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1 edit | You again? Uh-oh, still so funny... 
Thanks for the evidence you aren't even adult, shouldn't be taken seriously.
PS: "The is Kamm's boy friend. it is true love." What language is this? It uses English words but no ocherence at all, doesn't make any sense whatsoever. |
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guitarzan
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said by sporkme : What could possibly be any worse than ICANN? Answer: The crackheads and the pajama clad pagans of the UN having control of the net.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
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Generational Heros |
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guitarzan
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| said by Transmaster :Kamm you should thank your lucky stars there are heros like those in the above photo that defend your right to hate everything the United States stands for. These Veteran's paid the price so you can freeload. That is so true Transmaster and the foreign freeloaders, do not have any gratitude to even say thank you.Instead they are full of vinegar and piss.We are better off with out the UN and their side show freaks and UN supporters.However these ungrateful foreigners need the US more than we need them in the US. To gain what they otherwise could never attain in their own despotic countries,Who are so beloved and beholden by the UN
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
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said by kamm :... PS: "The is Kamm's boy friend. it is true love." What language is this? It uses English words but no ocherence at all, doesn't make any sense whatsoever. What's "ocherence"?
Really. Spell check only takes one extra screen, and improves the appearance and credibility of your output. It is recommended.
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LinuxJunkie
join:2005-01-19
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The basic protocols that RUN the 'net have been around since ARPAnet which WE developed and WE sank money into it. DNS would be absolutely fuggin' useless without IP being there in the first place. So why don't YOU STFU and "hand it back," whatever the f*ck that's supposed to mean. |
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