loopy2003
join:2003-07-31
Schenectady, NY | reply to DSL_Steve
Re: NAV 2006 no longer supports WinMe & 98 users
I you are still running any Windows 98 version and you are visiting this security mailing list, there is something wrong with that picture. You do realize how insecure 98's security model is ? Some might argue one doesn't even exist. |
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tls663
Premium
join:2004-01-30
canada
| said by loopy2003  :I you are still running any Windows 98 version and you are visiting this security mailing list, there is something wrong with that picture. You do realize how insecure 98's security model is ? Some might argue one doesn't even exist. I belive that this can be said about windows period reguardless of version minus Vista until we see how it stacks up against attacks |
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pvale
Lurk, Lurk, Lurk,They Call Me The Lurker
join:2000-03-29
Washington, MO
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Sorry, but the Dell PIII laptop that I'm typing this on is Running WinME. And I feel that I am quite secure. I keep up with Windows Update regularly for as long as M$ continues to update it. I run AVG, Adaware, Spybot. This machine is sitting on a 5000D/512U cable connection, behind a old PII machine running IPCop. I don't run IE except for Windows Update. I uninstalled Norton a couple of years ago, and never realized how much that bloated hunk of junk slowed this machine down. I have not had a virus, nor much problems with spyware, adware or other junk. I run Firefox, and Opera, with popup blockers.
Now, my wife, 4 feet to my right, has a new Dell machine that came with WinXP. I have gotten a good grounding in XP from fixing it when she breaks the operating system. She got a drive-by downloaded virus the other night that had me running all the standard tools, then breaking out the XP CD to refresh a file.
I follow this forum regularly, and it's high on my list of favorite forums on BBR. I have learned much from the learned folks who post here, and I thank you all profusely. |
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BlitzenZeus
Burnt Out Cynic
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join:2000-01-13
Beaverton, OR
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2 edits | reply to loopy2003
The ignorance pours off you like water...
Some computers you can't upgrade, some computers you don't want to upgrade due to hardware limitations, and these people generally don't need a new computer.
My father still runs 98se on a 400 Celeron, and he doesn't need another computer for what he uses it for.
He still has current version software to use, however I don't let him use IE anymore since they don't update the old IE that much anymore.
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My hourly rates:
$25 per hour.
$35 per hour if you want to watch.
$45 per hour if you want to help.
$75 per hour if you tried to fix it, and failed.
The biggest error is sitting in front of your keyboard. |
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whocares
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join:2003-07-26
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| Re: good bye NAV since 2002
As far as NAV or Symantec goes,I haven't supported them since 2002/2003-renewal when one of their updates screwed up my computer,so not missing anything from Norton,I'll never trust them again & advise anyone that is "'thinking"about useing them DON'T,there are to many better anyvirus's & firewalls out there to use,many freebie,"jazzy" |
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loopy2003
join:2003-07-31
Schenectady, NY
1 edit | reply to BlitzenZeus
Re: NAV 2006 no longer supports WinMe & 98 users
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however I don't let him use IE anymore since they don't update the old IE that much anymore.
 Security goes beyond just using IE or not. I'm not saying that there are no reasons to use 98. There are a lot of reasons to do so. Just be aware that if you do, there is very little that can be done to protect you other than simply not using the web at all. You can't build a secure environment over an insecure OS, although many vendors are trying. Because kernel objects (I hope you know what those are since you seem to be all knowing) can't be secured on 9x a compromised application whether IE or Firefox or whatever can take over the entire system.
And no.. common sense WILL NOT protect you in all cases. Common sense revolves around trust.. You trust your bank site therefore you visit it.. you try your popular news site, therefore you visit it. If any of those sites unknowingly violate that trust by say pulling JPEGS from a third party site, and that 3rd party site gets compromised then you are screwed. You will get infected if you dont have IDS or AV just by browsing to a site you have been browsing to for years. The only common sense that can save you is not browsing, not emailing, not using the web essentially and not having any way to insert removable media into the PC |
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