Seandhi
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Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA.
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Julio
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| said by Seandhi  :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. if they didn't put any money into researching and developing the iPod, why should they get a share of revenue?
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Seandhi
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| said by Julio :said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. if they didn't put any money into researching and developing the iPod, why should they get a share of revenue? Hey, I didn't say I agree with it... That's just the logic they are using.
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john262
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So what? It's greed pure and simple. If they want unauthorized P2P sharing to increase a million fold, then raise their prices and that will surely happen. |
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said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. The same can be said about CD players, tape decks, albums, and every other form of media digital or analog that can be used to store and distribute music.
I have never heard such an absurd argument, but then again it is the RIAA and it would not surprise me to learn that is exactly what they are thinking. |
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sporkme
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said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. And if there wasn't an internet, there wouldn't be an iTunes Store, so let's up the price another quarter since the RIAA missed that boat. |
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Seandhi
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| said by sporkme :said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. And if there wasn't an internet, there wouldn't be an iTunes Store, so let's up the price another quarter since the RIAA missed that boat. Come on, we all know that porn made the internet popular... not music! 
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said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. Wrong. What makes the iPod popular is the design. Online, legal music distrbution would not be nearly as popular without the iPod/iTunes providing a comfortable and easy to use interface.
If people just wanted songs cheap, they could go anywhere to get them and use any mp3 player to hear them. They use Apple's products and portal for the "user experience."
The RIAA is sorely misunderstanding their role in this whole deal. They wouldn't have any (appreciatable) online market income if it wasn't for Apple.
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insomniac84
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said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. By that matter the government should get profit sharing from all car manufacturers, because without the roads the government sets up, cars wouldn't sell. And ISPs should get money from ebay/amazon/newegg/etc because if it wasn't for them providing internet access, none of those sites could make money. Also ups/fedex/usps should also get kickbacks from any business that relys on them for shipping. The list goes on forever. The same logic will also always apply in reverse. So Apple should see more profit from the music sales because the RIAA wouldn't sell as much music if it wasn't for itunes and the ipod. This type of justification is pointless because in the end we would have to build a complex system to attempt to figure out how much money each business ends up earning because of a related business and all the money will probably just end up with the government, because the government is what allows our ways of free commerce to exist. |
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The payback and share they get via iPods is that they get to sell more of their product. They are owed nothing more.
This is like saying Ron Popeil should get a share of each TV sold because he has his commercials on TV. No, duh, the medium is the reason YOU exist.
Music has existed without the RIAA. The RIAA would not exist without consumer music devices.
Hubris, folks. |
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said by insomniac84 :
By that matter the government should get profit sharing from all car manufacturers, because without the roads the government sets up, cars wouldn't sell. They do, it's called sales taxes, excise taxes, auto registration, gasoline tax...
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Lepriapus
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Based on this logic, they will also want a cut of Windows, Mac, Linux, and any other OS revenue, because without these OS, the music would not be downloadable. |
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Seandhi
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| said by Lepriapus :Based on this logic, they will also want a cut of Windows, Mac, Linux, and any other OS revenue, because without these OS, the music would not be downloadable. Again, I don't agree with the logic, but...
Your argument does not apply because the operating systems are not popular because of music. iPods (and iTunes), on the other hand, would not exist without the RIAA products.
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rkrocha
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right on Zaber...Were was mister Music CEO when the Walkman,Discman and such were out there? The fughkr should be grateful the iPod et al are creating such a demand for his crap!
The guy sells the cherries that go in the pie and already got paid for it, now he wants a piece of the finished pie sales too? f'him!!! |
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Seandhi
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said by tcp1 :The payback and share they get via iPods is that they get to sell more of their product. They are owed nothing more. This is like saying Ron Popeil should get a share of each TV sold because he has his commercials on TV. No, duh, the medium is the reason YOU exist. Music has existed without the RIAA. The RIAA would not exist without consumer music devices. Hubris, folks. In the RIAA's narrow view, they do believe that they are owed more because they used to control the medium and distribution. They allowed iTunes to distribute music to iPods, and lost control of both distribution and medium.
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Anon909
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Interesting idea... if there wasn't an internet there wouldn't be p2p pirating of music. Since Al Gore invented the internet the RIAA should be suing him. |
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Pirate515
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said by Seandhi :iPods (and iTunes), on the other hand, would not exist without the RIAA products. Not sure about iTunes, but iPod would do just fine without RIAA products. IMHO, if it did not support the good old unprotected MP3 format, iPod wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is today. And by the way, ever heard of independent music? It's compatible with iPod too, not just RIAA products.
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Seandhi
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| said by Pirate515 :said by Seandhi :iPods (and iTunes), on the other hand, would not exist without the RIAA products. Not sure about iTunes, but iPod would do just fine without RIAA products. IMHO, if it did not support the good old unprotected MP3 format, iPod wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is today. And by the way, ever heard of independent music? It's compatible with iPod too, not just RIAA products. Uhh, what kind of unencrypted content are those people putting on their iPods? Most likely, pirated music. And yes, I have heard of Indy music... That's not making the iPod popular.
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We already do pay a tribute to the RIAA for CD-ROMs and DVD-ROMs as well as recordable media. It's called the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992. For 13 years the Gov't has forced us to give money to the RIAA for these things...because they complained enough about losing money on them. |
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said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. Then they would want a cut of every single receiver, tape player, CD player, speaker, speaker wire, speaker stands, entertainment center, etc.
More stupid rantings from the record execs. |
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