Steve B
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I can live with DRM....IF....it doesn't go as far as to block me from recording my everyday shows so I can watch later in case I wasn't able to watch it when it was actually on TV. I used to record movies to VHS and keep them in my collection. However, it that has to stop I can actually live with it as I have not done that type of recording in years. I just want to be able to watch an episode of Stargate that I recorder because I missed it earlier. If the DRM gestapos start infringing on our ability to record regular shows for later viewing and taking out our ability to pass up commercials, that is where I will start having a serious issue with all this. |
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| said by Steve B  :I can live with DRM....IF....it doesn't go as far as to block me from recording my everyday shows so I can watch later in case I wasn't able to watch it when it was actually on TV. I used to record movies to VHS and keep them in my collection. However, it that has to stop I can actually live with it as I have not done that type of recording in years. I just want to be able to watch an episode of Stargate that I recorder because I missed it earlier. If the DRM gestapos start infringing on our ability to record regular shows for later viewing and taking out our ability to pass up commercials, that is where I will start having a serious issue with all this. I agree.
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brooklynman4
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| said by brooklynman4 :How about if someone records it in tivo and send it over the net ?? If he sends it to himself for his own viewing, a good case can be made that that is legal. For example, you record a show to watch later. You then go to your vacation house at the shore. You pull it off your primary residence computer and copy it to your vacation house computer and watch it there.
But if you record a show and send it to a friend in another city, you are breaking the law.
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PDXPLT
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Steve B :I can live with DRM....IF....it doesn't go as far as to block me from recording my everyday shows so I can watch later in case I wasn't able to watch it when it was actually on TV. I used to record movies to VHS and keep them in my collection. However, it that has to stop I can actually live with it as I have not done that type of recording in years. I just want to be able to watch an episode of Stargate that I recorder because I missed it earlier. If the DRM gestapos start infringing on our ability to record regular shows for later viewing and taking out our ability to pass up commercials, that is where I will start having a serious issue with all this. I agree. Me too. In general I don't mind DRM being used to block clearly illegal activity, like someone taking Disney content and publishing it for free, worldwide distribution on the internet (euphamistically called "P2P sharing" by the kids that do it).
What I don't like is the idea that it would be used to block legal "fair use" that is allowed under U.S. law. Hollywood hates these provisions, wishes it could remove them from the law, and in lieu of that, sees technical means that can prevent the exercise of fair-use rights, such DRM, as the next next thing (especially since they got provisions put in the DCMA that makes it criminal to circumvent those technical means, even if it is done in order to enable legal use of the material).
In one of his last interviews as MPAA president Jack Valenti said that the MPAA believes there is no such thing as Fair Use legal provisions. You don't need to make back-up copies, just buy another at full price. We all know that if it was technically feasible, Hollywood would require all viewing to be Pay-Per-View, and playback would stop automatically if the player detected that you got up off the couch and went to the bathroom during the commercials. It's this abuse of technical copyright controls that I object to. |
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risha1
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Honest question: Why are TV shows included in this? I get that P2P sharing of movies and music is a revenue issue for the content creators and can therefore be considered theft. However much TV content is freely available via the airwaves, so there is no revenue impact. If I record Monday Night Football, which I can receive via my rabbit ears, and then share it, why would this be considered piracy? |
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| said by risha1 :Honest question: Why are TV shows included in this? I get that P2P sharing of movies and music is a revenue issue for the content creators and can therefore be considered theft. However much TV content is freely available via the airwaves, so there is no revenue impact. If I record Monday Night Football, which I can receive via my rabbit ears, and then share it, why would this be considered piracy? Because the NFL retains rights for use on their NFL network and on OnDemand offerings for replays later, and for use in clips made into highlight films sold for DVDs and for VCRs(not so much any more), etc. Basically they own the rights to rebroadcast and they and the law sees transmission of the recording over the internet as retransmission. And those comedy series shows would react similarly because if everybody makes their shows available for free online, it reduces the value of their property for syndication reruns.
Now to the other part of the question - why should they care?? And they care because they feel they can still make money off of it even after the original airing is over.
And the 3rd part is what will they do about it if you make a copy and send it to a friend? Probably nothing. But if you make a copy of the SuperBowl and then make it available to others by serving it up from a home server and start telling everyone by posting that info on your own home web page, they will probably go after you. If they think it is costing them income they will come after you.
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Andrew J
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No kidding, hold on to your seat, they're just getting started. For starters, your new TIVO will delete shows after a certain number of days.
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said by Steve B :I can live with DRM....IF....it doesn't go as far as to block me from recording my everyday shows so I can watch later in case I wasn't able to watch it when it was actually on TV. Digital handcuffs my friend, that's all it is.You're inviting the camel to stick its head in the tent here. said by Steve B : If the DRM gestapos start infringing on our ability to record regular shows for later viewing and taking out our ability to pass up commercials, that is where I will start having a serious issue with all this. As the saying goes once you allow the camel to stick its head in the tent, the rest of the camel is sure to follow.Forget for a moment file sharing, that is the distraction these facists WANT one to look at.
Instead look at the broad brush AKA DRM being used to label and insert total control over sheeple,whether one shares files or not.Talk about Verizon dumping sand in the lube.! Ouch that has got to hurt.Verizon supplies fios then look who they jump into bed with.I guess OOL will not lose as many customers as first predicted on BBR after all.
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Steve B
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Seattle, WA | Interesting and I actually have to agree now that you pointed it out. I still go with what I originally said but, your're right too. Why stop at point B when you can stop at point Z. I see your point. |
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Steve B
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Is that really set it stone? The last time I read up on that, it was contributed to a glitch. I will say thought it is my "belief" that it probably will come into play at some point. However, that does not mean it will actually happen. Let's all hope it doesn't. |
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| What's set in stone is Broadcast Flag. Every broadcaster has full control of the switch from their end. Press a button, show can't be recorded, press a button it self deletes in one day, etc.. When Disney and HBO are hitting these buttons, it's said that everyone else will follow.
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