dirtyjeffer
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| The Best Made Cars: Foreign vs Domestic
Well, I have said it many times, that the domestic manufacturers have significantly upped their quality, especially over the past 5 years, and it looks like it is starting to show. The "foreign cars are better" line, is more about marketing hype, and living in the past. If you are looking at purchasing a new(er) car, don't eliminate a domestic, as they make great vehicles too.
»www.canadiandriver.com/articles/···lity.htm
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Thingamajig
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Too many of them vividly recall the disastrously poor products Detroit-based automakers foisted onto the public in the 1970s, 1980s and even parts of the 1990s.
...and I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the crapola they were selling not to mention the B.S. one would get from the dealers trying to make the damn piece of crap operate properly. A friend recently shows up in my driveway to show off his new Durango (had 60 kilometers on it!) it must have left a quart of oil on my driveway...no thanks, you'll continue to find Toyota & Honda products at this posters place! |
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Devanchya
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| But what is domestic now?
All the corporations are international.
Most of the cars are some part made in Canada now.
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said by dirtyjeffer  :Well, I have said it many times, that the domestic manufacturers have significantly upped their quality, especially over the past 5 years, and it looks like it is starting to show. The "foreign cars are better" line, is more about marketing hype, and living in the past. If you are looking at purchasing a new(er) car, don't eliminate a domestic, as they make great vehicles too. » www.canadiandriver.com/articles/···lity.htm Since when does Canada make a domestic car? And don't say GM Ford or Dodge because you may have a plant here and there. The big three are made in the USA.
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| said by 99664227 :Since when does Canada make a domestic car? And don't say GM Ford or Dodge because you may have a plant here and there. The big three are made in the USA. You might want to do a bit of research. More cars come out of the Province of Ontario then out of the State of Michigan. Ever been to Oshawa? Half of the city is two massive GM plants that employ close to 30,000 people.
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Dark Shoes
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said by dirtyjeffer :The "foreign cars are better" line, is more about marketing hype, and living in the past. I think it's more than just marketing hype. Take a look at the bottom of your own link where they compile four major studies concerning quality and reliability. Out of the 45 vehicles there's only 14 so-called domestics that make the list. That means 70% of the top vehicles are so-called foreign.
Edit: And as a side note, I don't even think you can consider Chrysler/Dodge as being a domestic (North American) anymore since it's owned and run by the Germans now. They've been doing weird things to that company in the past few years.
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said by 99664227 :said by dirtyjeffer :Well, I have said it many times, that the domestic manufacturers have significantly upped their quality, especially over the past 5 years, and it looks like it is starting to show. The "foreign cars are better" line, is more about marketing hype, and living in the past. If you are looking at purchasing a new(er) car, don't eliminate a domestic, as they make great vehicles too. » www.canadiandriver.com/articles/···lity.htm Since when does Canada make a domestic car? And don't say GM Ford or Dodge because you may have a plant here and there. The big three are made in the USA. Canada has several 'domestic" cars. The Impala series out of Oshawa, the Ford Crown Victoria/Police Interceptor and the Toyota Corolla are all built in Canada.
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And one thing is certain talk to anybody who has bought a new vehicle lately and you seem to get a variety of opinions on what to buy.
Market share of the traditional big three has steadily declined over the years....though no doubt 'bout it quality has improved.
People are still grabbing the foreign vehicles to.
Though with the big three and some components and parts made by foreign companies its becoming more blurred. |
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bylo
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said by dirtyjeffer :domestic manufacturers have significantly upped their quality, especially over the past 5 years quote:
It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently. ...Warren Buffett
Detroit spent the past 30+ years giving us untold demonstrations of five-minute bad experiences. For many of us those experiences destroyed Detroit's reputation. We will be waiting for at least another 15 years to see if Detroit is really doing anything differently -- assuming they survive the near-death experience they're having now.
And that reminds me of another famous aphorism that may explain Detroit's sudden interest in the quality of their products. quote:
Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully. ...Samuel Johnson
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Within the next few years, I'll be replacing my '89 Camry which still runs great and has been extremely reliable (I'll be sad to see it go)
Buying a Ford/GM/Chrysler will not even cross my mind. |
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If the domestics of 30+ yrs ago were so bad, were the Japanesse products of that era any better?
I remember seeing many Datsun B210s and 510s and similar Toyotas & Hondas rust buckets after only 2-5 yrs of age |
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The local auto trader says it all. Money talks and there are half the number of hondas and toyotas for sale used than the big 3. They are worth more and usually much more miles on them. I bought a 98 Windstar that was an absolute piece of junk. I paid almost 25 grand for it and put 2 trannies in it and headgaskets twice. I took them to court and they lied through their teeth. I will never buy a dodge chev or ford again unless it is 10 years old and dirt cheap.
Before that van and after I have never paid more than 5 grand for a vehicle and none has ever left me stranded or drained my wallet. That van left me stuck so often I knew the tow truck guy on a first name business. |
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| Heh... they don't call it Fix Or Repair Daily for nothing. 
Phil Edmonston tells it like it is. He pretty much hates everything out there, so it's simply a matter of picking the vehicle he hates the least.
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said by Dark Shoes :Edit: And as a side note, I don't even think you can consider Chrysler/Dodge as being a domestic (North American) anymore since it's owned and run by the Germans now. They've been doing weird things to that company in the past few years. If by weird you mean that Dodge/Chrysler is the only one of the "Big Three" to turn profit in recent months, you are right. If by weird you mean that the Dodge/Chrysler arm of Daimler Chrysler is the one that is successful while Mercedes has been plagued by quality and sales problems, you are right. If by weird, you mean that Dodge/Chrysler has some of the boldest designs around (Ram, Charger, Magnum, to name a few) and some of the best performance vehicles (Ram SRT-10, Viper, Neon SRT-4, Charger SRT-8, Crossfire SRT-6), you are right.
I currently own a Ram (my third) and would not hesitate to buy Dodge again. They made some bad mistakes in the 80's but have really come around in the last 10 years or so. |
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| said by americanada :I currently own a Ram (my third) and would not hesitate to buy Dodge again. They made some bad mistakes in the 80's but have really come around in the last 10 years or so. Gotta agree with you there. I still to this day am impressed by my 1992 Dodge Grand Caravan. 13 Years Old, and she still gets me back and forth to work and has no problem with the occasional trip to Oshawa and back.
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dirtyjeffer
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Windstar's were bad...the 3.8L V6 was known to blow headgaskets, and chew threw trannies like crazy...however, most of the problems with trannies in many of todays minivans and suv's are simply due to the fact that they are using car parts on much larger vehicles, causing those parts to wear a lot more...even Honda had a huge problem with their trannies in their odyssey and pilot vehicles, and also refused to "officially acknowledge it", other than temporarily stop production of them until the tranny issue was resolved (this is about 2 years ago)...a windstar would have a similar powertrain as a taurus, yet you can fill it up with more people, plus all the crap people take, and you are putting a heavy load on that powertrain.
that is one of the reasons i would never buy a minivan, as they are simply "cars" with large bodies on them (although, i also don't have a need for a minivan).
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dirtyjeffer
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said by Rifleman :The local auto trader says it all. Money talks and there are half the number of hondas and toyotas for sale used than the big 3. buying a slightly used domestic car can also be a very smart decision...because there are so many of them, the resale value of them is quite low, despite the fact they are still decent cars...this is exactly why i purchased my loaded 2000 taurus in 2002...i picked it up for $16,000 (over $34,000 new) with only 33,000 kms on it...fully loaded accords were still selling for over $26,000...while the accord may be a better car, it certainly isn't $10,000 better...i have only had a few minor problems with the car, all of which were covered under recall warranty's...something you won't find on many imports, as they don't like to issue recalls, as they feel it tarnishes the image of quality...instead, it is simply a "worn out part" and you pay to replace it.
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MotherNature
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I have a Chevy Lumina LS sedan built in Canada. I love that car to death. |
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dirtyjeffer
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the lumina is a very well made car, also a great value as a used domestic too (i was going to consider one of those before i decided on the taurus)...if you have the 3.8L V6, it is a tank of an engine...one of the few pushrod engines still around.
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