RayW
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Layton, UT
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| reply to Matt9
Re: Fast!!
said by Matt9  :Can I take option 3? 3 being: Realizing you have such a huge flaw in the first place, and not releasing your software until it's fixed. Or is that too professional of an option for the Mozilla foundation? Ummm, and you pay for many option three's with Microsoft and bash one in the free Mozilla/Firefox? I guess it is people like you that makes Bill Gates so rich that my entire worth is less than the lint in his pocket.
Yeah I know, Microsoft is so big compared to Mozilla they have an 'excuse' because of size.
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RDSra
@comcast.net | No, I don't pay anything for IE. |
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wtansill
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join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA
| said by RDSra :
No, I don't pay anything for IE.
Yeah, you do. It's bundled into the cost of the OS itself. You just don't see it as a separate cost item.
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SNT
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Satellite Beach, FL
| said by wtansill :said by RDSra :
No, I don't pay anything for IE.
Yeah, you do. It's bundled into the cost of the OS itself. You just don't see it as a separate cost item. Linux + Wine = Free IE |
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wtansill
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Falls Church, VA
| said by SNT :said by wtansill :said by RDSra :
No, I don't pay anything for IE.
Yeah, you do. It's bundled into the cost of the OS itself. You just don't see it as a separate cost item. Linux + Wine = Free IE Missed that one. Still, it's the exception, but the rule.
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CrzyCrakr
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Using IE in anything other than Windows is breaking the EULA of IE. That is like saying...xbox games are free cuz you have a modded xbox and you copy games so you can play them. You are just circumventing the rule.
And to quote the EULA...
"NOTE: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID EULA FOR ANY "OS PRODUCT" (MICROSOFT WINDOWS
95, MICROSOFT WINDOWS 98, MICROSOFT WINDOWS NT WORKSTATION 4.0, MICROSOFT
WINDOWS NT SERVER 4.0, MICROSOFT WINDOWS NT SERVER, ENTERPRISE EDITION 4.0 OR
MICROSOFT WINDOWS NT SERVER 4.0, TERMINAL SERVER EDITION), YOU ARE NOT
AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, COPY, OR OTHERWISE USE THE OS COMPONENTS AND YOU HAVE
NO RIGHTS UNDER THIS SUPPLEMENTAL EULA."
»www.microsoft.com/msdownload/iep···ense.txt
So IE is NOT free. |
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Matt9
join:2004-01-29
New Bedford, MA
| reply to RayW
I use Opera and Firefox as my browsers. I'm not comparing Firefox to Microsoft, Firefox is Mozilla and Microsoft is Microsoft, why compare them?
Releasing a program with such a blatant flaw is unprofessional and inexcusable no matter what company does it. Don't they test this stuff before they release it? Seems like every Firefox release there is always some major security issue they are always rushing to fix. Yeah, I know, at least they offer patches "quickly" (compared to Microsoft) and the patches work. But WHY aren't these programmers FINDING these holes BEFORE they release the product? Don't they care? Or is it "well we'll just release this and let the users find all the holes, then do damage control from there?" |
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RayW
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| said by Matt9 : I'm not comparing Firefox to Microsoft, Firefox is Mozilla and Microsoft is Microsoft, why compare them? Because Microsoft has again started to and because they occupy the same ecological niche in the world of computing? And back in the early-mid 90's Microsoft threw a ton of resources and money to ensure that THEY would be the only browser around (my company at the time was directly affected by that)?
said by Matt9 :But WHY aren't these programmers FINDING these holes BEFORE they release the product? Don't they care? Or is it "well we'll just release this and let the users find all the holes, then do damage control from there?" Well, I can not answer that except by inference and experience. My guess would be because there is no way a small group of programmers with a limited number of systems and a finite amount of time can find all the various loopholes and still be able to release a product in a time frame somewhat less than infinity. And face it, even the best programmers and testers have blind spots in their thinking. And it may be sacrilege to the "'zilla is God" crowd, but the 'zilla team is not a large, well funded, supposedly coherent team. It is an open source cooperative effort that seems to be doing quite well despite all their handicaps.
One would assume the smaller the group and the poorer the funding, the more the problems and the slower the fixes/workarounds
I think many of the comparisons boil down to the Microsoft's historical "head in the sand until there are no other options" and the apparent fast response by the 'zilla team.
As a closing note, I had an instructer long ago that said something to the affect that it does not matter how long a piece of software has been out or how well it has been worked over, it will still be a beta until the day it ceases to be used.
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SNT
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Satellite Beach, FL
| reply to CrzyCrakr
3 problems with that EULA.
1. ...any "OS Product"
Linux is an OS Product.
2. The list of OS's does NOT include XP
and 3. By that same EULA,
"The OS Components are provided to you by Microsoft to update,
supplement, or replace existing functionality of the applicable OS Product.
In the event your OS Product is a version of Windows NT Server, the OS
Components are deemed "Client Software." Microsoft grants you a license to use
the OS Components under the terms and conditions of the OS Product EULA for
the applicable OS Product (which are hereby incorporated by reference) and the
terms and conditions set forth in this Supplemental EULA, provided that you
comply with all such terms and conditions. To the extent that any terms in
this Supplemental EULA conflict with terms in the applicable OS Product EULA,
the terms of this Supplemental EULA control solely with respect to the OS
Components."
According to this, IE is not an OS component so the paragraph you quoted doesn't apply.
In conclusion,
Linux + Wine = Free IE. |
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