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Juana Diaz, PR
 ·Choice Cable TV
 ·Coqui/PRTC
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Re: "Unlimited" is a BEAUTIFUL Word
said by ropeguru  :No, you are just forced to pay for that POTS line from the xLEC that you do not want. If you are not lucky enough to have someone like Covad or Speakeasy and the like to provide you naked DSL. What if my POTS line has already been there for ages and I still want/need that line? I don't have a POTS line because I have DSL. I have DSL because I already have a POTS line. In my case, the cost of the phone service doesn't come into play for what I pay for DSL because I would have the line anyway without DSL.
It's amazing how many people assume that everybody with DSL is forced to pay for a POTS line. Some are, many aren't. |
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KAD Imaging
Just Shoot It
Premium
join:2002-09-21
Hialeah, FL
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to itguy35
said by itguy35 :
$64 = DSL wins? for NO TV SERVICE? You can take that same $68 cable package and add voip for $25/month and have everything a home user needs. Your $64 DSL option doesn't include any tv content at all - that math is about as fuzzy as a TELCO's. And as far as cable being "inferior to satellite" here in MO, if a person were to so much as as sneeze on their dish or the sky gets cloudy, you might as well plan on having a fuzzy SATV picture. I have many friends with the "more cost effective" SATV and i will take my cable any day of the week. Especially since i have 5 meg Charter pipeline (consistent at 4.7mb) and 7 TVs in the house. Oh BTW, Charter's customer service runs circles around SBC in this area. I've used everything from Wireless, to DSL, and now cable and I'm staying with cable.
I'll just quote a previous post when I listed a my cable and dsl setups..
said by Me :
BS DSL Ultra (1.5)
Complete Choice = $30
Emergency LD Plan = $1.99
Extreme DSL = $35
TOTAL = $67 (+ taxes/fees = $75)
CRAPCAST Cable
Standard Package = $49 (81 ch Analog)
Digital Classic = $56 (127+ ch)
TOTAL = $49
(DVR = $10/mo)
$75 + $49 = $124
Current:
BS DSL Extreme (3.0)
Complete Choice = $30
Emergency LD Plan = $1.99
Extreme DSL = $45
TOTAL = $77 (+ taxes/fees = $85)
Direct TV
TOTAL Choice Plus (150+ ch Digital) = $45.99
BS Answers Disount = -$4.99
TOTAL = $41.99
(DVR = $4.99/mo)
$85 + $42 = $127
So for $3 more per month I doubled my DSL speed and am getting 30 more DIGITAL channels plus there's no rental fee for the a box. CRAPCAST sucks "a big fat donkey d***!!!"
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itguy35
@mo.chart
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$64 = DSL wins? for NO TV SERVICE? You can take that same $68 cable package and add voip for $25/month and have everything a home user needs. Your $64 DSL option doesn't include any tv content at all - that math is about as fuzzy as a TELCO's. And as far as cable being "inferior to satellite" here in MO, if a person were to so much as as sneeze on their dish or the sky gets cloudy, you might as well plan on having a fuzzy SATV picture. I have many friends with the "more cost effective" SATV and i will take my cable any day of the week. Especially since i have 5 meg Charter pipeline (consistent at 4.7mb) and 7 TVs in the house. Oh BTW, Charter's customer service runs circles around SBC in this area. I've used everything from Wireless, to DSL, and now cable and I'm staying with cable. |
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| reply to John Galt
said by John Galt :Well, you can...it just won't work, that's all.  Hey John;
What is the limitation on cascaded amplifiers in a cable chain? How far can one go on one amp (generally) and how many amps are allowed in a chain?
Thanks
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entropy1
Premium
join:2002-09-25 | reply to KAD Imaging
I've experienced no "capping" of throughput whatsoever. Also, I've found that the access I pay for is far superior to any free access I've gotten with any isp over the years...unlimited or not...be it dsl or cable. |
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KAD Imaging
Just Shoot It
Premium
join:2002-09-21
Hialeah, FL
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to entropy1
said by entropy1 :Oh...you're one of those who chooses an isp based on what "extras" they offer, sort of like AOL style. I tend to go more for the connection. I just subscribe to my own choice of newsgroup access. Uh, no. Newsgroup access is part of the package. BS is fully unlimited whereas Crapcast limits you to 2GB and CAPS throughput to like 3KB or something ludicrously small.
Your welcome to pay all the extra money you want for newsgroup access.
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entropy1
Premium
join:2002-09-25 | reply to KAD Imaging
Oh...you're one of those who chooses an isp based on what "extras" they offer, sort of like AOL style. I tend to go more for the connection. I just subscribe to my own choice of newsgroup access. |
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John Galt
Forward, March
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
·CenturyLink
| reply to DaDogs
said by DaDogs :Cable doesn't have the kind of distance limitation that DSL has but being rural isn't always helpful. Just to clarify...cable has distance limitations also. It is related to the number of cascaded amplifiers in the chain.
There are technical means such as microwave to new headends to overcome this limitation, but the point is that it is not possible to have an "infinite" number of amps in a cascade.
Well, you can...it just won't work, that's all.
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KAD Imaging
Just Shoot It
Premium
join:2002-09-21
Hialeah, FL
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to ropeguru
said by ropeguru :No, you are just forced to pay for that POTS line from the xLEC that you do not want. If you are not lucky enough to have someone like Covad or Speakeasy and the like to provide you naked DSL. No, you are just forced to purchase a cable product inferior to satellite in every way and twice as expensive for less digital content. 
(sure, cable will give ya um...bundled hsi for $20 extra a month. Total cost: Crapcast 81ch basic package $48. Crapcast umbundled hsi +$20 = $68. Basic BS pots no add-ons $19. BSFA +$45 = $64 = DSL WIIIINS....PERFECT! lol )
(oh yeah, BSFA is UNlimited instead of Crapcasts UM...limited service including 2GB newgroup cap. I think my NB Pro has been downloading for 6 days including today straight and I could go to Europe til winter and not worry about a damn thing when I return!)
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| reply to jkreuzig
said by jkreuzig :Now this is where I have to get off. Truly unlimited DSL that actually delivered promissed speeds is one thing and as a matter of fact, a rare thing. Probably not as rare as you might think. As long as you are within distance, and chose the CORRECT provider, getting unlimited DSL at promised speeds is not a problem. It is not difficult to get the link between you and the ILEC to run at advertized speeds. It is frequently a problem to get the thruput you are promissed thru the ILEC's gateways.
said by jkreuzig :Remember, it's all about the details. Read up on the details of what sort of DSL you are getting and you can easily get what you are looking for. Aye, understood. Good advice. Wireless is becoming a more viable option every day. My hope is to take down my DSL circuit and go to a wireless circuit to our tower.
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| reply to BonezX
said by BonezX :said by DaDogs :said by KAD Imaging :said by tpeng :...Because forthright honesty is the greatest enemy of marketing  Bingo! TRULY UNLIMITED DSL Vs. MOSTLY "Umm..limited" Cable Which would you choose? Now this is where I have to get off. Truly unlimited DSL that actually delivered promissed speeds is one thing and as a matter of fact, a rare thing. you also forget that you have to be within a certan distance to get DSL. my cable is uncapped/unrestricted has higher speed and costs less then most of the stuff i see in the states, why ?, because the company has a huge advantage over AT&T, it's mostly rural where i am. I didn't forget that DSL is distance sensitive. I am an ISP and have delivered both SDSL over bare copper and resold Verizon DSL.
Cable doesn't have the kind of distance limitation that DSL has but being rural isn't always helpful. The cable carrier in our area has more than 200 subs going thru a T-1 gateway. Clearly speed is relative
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entropy1
Premium
join:2002-09-25 | reply to ropeguru
Then you pay out the ass anyway with those companies. |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs:
 ·VOIPo
| reply to Mactron
said by Mactron :said by ke4pym :CABLE. I don't want to pay extra for the phone line tax for a line I don't want, need or will otherwise use. DSL. I don't want to pay extra for a Cable subscription I don't want, need, or be punished an extra cost for not having. No, you are just forced to pay for that POTS line from the xLEC that you do not want. If you are not lucky enough to have someone like Covad or Speakeasy and the like to provide you naked DSL.
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Mactron
el camino Real
Premium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
| reply to ke4pym
said by ke4pym :CABLE. I don't want to pay extra for the phone line tax for a line I don't want, need or will otherwise use. DSL. I don't want to pay extra for a Cable subscription I don't want, need, or be punished an extra cost for not having.
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If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well. |
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jkreuzig
Whatever
join:2001-07-11
Yorba Linda, CA
| reply to DaDogs
Now this is where I have to get off. Truly unlimited DSL that actually delivered promissed speeds is one thing and as a matter of fact, a rare thing. Probably not as rare as you might think. As long as you are within distance, and chose the CORRECT provider, getting unlimited DSL at promised speeds is not a problem.
Remember, it's all about the details. Read up on the details of what sort of DSL you are getting and you can easily get what you are looking for. |
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ke4pym
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC | reply to KAD Imaging
CABLE. I don't want to pay extra for the phone line tax for a line I don't want, need or will otherwise use. |
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BonezX
Basement Dweller
Premium
join:2004-04-13
Canada
| reply to DaDogs
said by DaDogs :said by KAD Imaging :said by tpeng :...Because forthright honesty is the greatest enemy of marketing Bingo! TRULY UNLIMITED DSL Vs. MOSTLY "Umm..limited" Cable Which would you choose? Now this is where I have to get off. Truly unlimited DSL that actually delivered promissed speeds is one thing and as a matter of fact, a rare thing. you also forget that you have to be within a certan distance to get DSL.
my cable is uncapped/unrestricted has higher speed and costs less then most of the stuff i see in the states, why ?, because the company has a huge advantage over AT&T, it's mostly rural where i am. |
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| reply to KAD Imaging
said by KAD Imaging :said by tpeng :...Because forthright honesty is the greatest enemy of marketing Bingo! TRULY UNLIMITED DSL Vs. MOSTLY "Umm..limited" Cable Which would you choose? Now this is where I have to get off. Truly unlimited DSL that actually delivered promissed speeds is one thing and as a matter of fact, a rare thing.
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entropy1
Premium
join:2002-09-25
 ·Millenicom
·Comcast
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
4 edits | reply to KAD Imaging
Cable...because I don't have a problem using all I want and I like cable better after having both.
I have WAY fewer problems with cable and faster speeds too!
As far as I know, Comcast doesn't send threat letters anymore. This is something dsl users seem to forget when they try to pull their "holier connection than thou" crap on here. Has anyone been capped by Comcast in the last year?
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KAD Imaging
Just Shoot It
Premium
join:2002-09-21
Hialeah, FL
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to tpeng
said by tpeng :...Because forthright honesty is the greatest enemy of marketing Bingo!
TRULY UNLIMITED DSL
Vs.
MOSTLY "Umm..limited" Cable
Which would you choose?
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