TVisitor
join:2000-10-07
Dumont, NJ
| [northeast] Question on FIOS installs
Hi all,
I'm real excited about FIOS, and I'm gearing up to get it when it's available in my area (i.e. doing my homework on what I need to do in the house first).
I've read the article »Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »What should I do prior to my installation date?. The install the NID outside the house, and the ONT goes inside the house. A battery back up is supplied for the ONT, and they say that the battery backup needs a wall outlet for power, and it should be close to the ONT.
The NID would probably get installed where my existing copper NID is outside. Currently the copper runs into the basement (in the ceiling, it's not a drop ceiling, so I had to cut the ceiling tiles off, what a mess).
On the opposite side of the basement, I have power available, which is where I have a PC and my current network setup (a Linksys router & a 16 port 10/100 Linksys hub).
How can I get this to work? Would the ONT be in the ceiling? (No way, I can't put power in the ceiling and no way would I run an extension cord there, that's a fire hazard, not to mention it would violate insurance and building codes).
I assume it's fiber from the NID to the ONT, so I doubt I could ask them to put the ONT across the basement (stringing the fiber in the ceiling would be a major pain in the ass).
How does the connection from the ONT interface to (1) existing telephones (2) my computer - I assume that there's ethernet out & lines for the existing telephone network in the house.
Also, can the ONT do the 2 phone lines I currently have in the house?
I guess I could have them put the ONT on a shelf in the basement, and I could run an extension cord to it, and I could later get an electrician to wire a new outlet near it. I could later re-wire any phone/ethernet I need to, that's not a problem. I am comfortable running network/phone in the ceiling (already have done that).
Sorry for so many questions, but they're on my mind. |
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jond3
join:2005-08-20
|  NO NO NO sorry for the confusion, The ONT and NID are bascily the same thing. The ONT is most often placed next to the NID so they can use the phone lines you already have,The NID will no longer be used, The ONT can't be placed inside the home the telco has to have access to it at all times, You mention you have copper running in the basement,is it standard line or is is Cat5,if so you dont have a thing to worry about except the power for the battey backup. you will have to have an electrican wire this for you. The fiber runs to the ONT not the NID. |
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TVisitor
join:2000-10-07
Dumont, NJ
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August 21st, @12:08AM
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OK this is a picture of what I have as of today.
The wavey line is the phone line, it comes from the NID outside, through the brick wall of the house through the wood framing into the basement. It's just laying in the ceiling, across the length of the basement. It comes out of the ceiling and actually goes to a distribution block so the phone line can be sent around the house (diagram is simplified). There's no power on the wall (or near it) where the NID is. The power is on the other side, near the computer.
Now, in light of that, how will this work?
(sorry for the crude diagram).
PS: My apologies I went back and read it again, and the NID is replaced by the ONT (or the NID is left there, but sits next to it). Is the battery inside the ONT? Or does it sit in the house somewhere with with lines running from it to the ONT? |
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Thespis
join:2004-08-03
Keller, TX | reply to TVisitor
My battery is in the garage on the inside of the same wall the ONT is on. The cable from the power supply to the BBU can be of variable length. I have read of BBU's being up to 100' from the power supply. |
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TVisitor
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Dumont, NJ | But can the BBU be located "far" (20-30 feet or more) away from the ONT? |
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Subaru
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I did not have a NID so they just isntalled the ONT. |
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Telcoguru
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Fresh Meadows, NY
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Verizon wants the ONT's placed outside the home but if you want it located inside they will do it for you, after all it's your house. The battery backup unit and power supply unit have to be placed inside the house, about 50ft away is really the farthest you want to go from the ONT. They will run CAT 5e cable from the ONT network port to a D-link router WAN port on the back of the router. Easy access to this equipment should be your main concern in case it needs to be serviced. |
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Telcoguru
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join:2005-08-22
Fresh Meadows, NY | reply to TVisitor
The ONT model 610 can hold 4 POTS lines (Plain Old Telephone Service). |
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TVisitor
join:2000-10-07
Dumont, NJ
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August 22nd, @10:59PM
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said by Telcoguru  :Verizon wants the ONT's placed outside the home but if you want it located inside they will do it for you, after all it's your house. The battery backup unit and power supply unit have to be placed inside the house, about 50ft away is really the farthest you want to go from the ONT. They will run CAT 5e cable from the ONT network port to a D-link router WAN port on the back of the router. Easy access to this equipment should be your main concern in case it needs to be serviced. I'd probably let them put the ONT outside, no big deal. What kind of power runs from the supply/battery back up to the ONT? If it's AC wiring, I'll have my electrician friend come over and run romex through the ceiling. IF it's just something low voltage (i.e. that I can run over Cat5), I'll run the wire myself.
50' is no problem from the supply/backup to the ONT.
I already plan on wiring a piece of CAT5 through my ceiling from where my router is to where it needs to go out of the house. Likewise, same for my 2 phone lines (might as well rewire, time is right).
If you check out my above diagram, I'd like to prewire whatever power cable is needed, through the ceiling so that they can connect the power supply/battery back up to the ONT and not have to string new wire. Wiring through the ceiling in my basement is a royal pain. It's not a drop ceiling, it's fiberboard, and stapled to cross-layed out beams that are nailed to the studs. The more I can do to help them, the less time they need to spend in my house (and the less time I spend rewiring later on).
Thanks. |
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Subaru
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What do you mean what kind of Power runs from the Power Pack to the ONT? Do you mean in terms of Voltage?
I had a pick of it posted but you have the BAck up unit it's self with the battery, and a witre from that going to a Power inverter which goes into a Power outlet.
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TVisitor
join:2000-10-07
Dumont, NJ
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August 22nd, @11:07PM
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Sorry for the double...
How's the Power supply & Battery back up hook up to the ONT?
I'm assuming that battery backup hooks up to the power supply (so the 2 of them are always close proximity). The power supply, I imagine plugs into a regular AC wall outlet, and then has (screw terminals?) where a cable is wired up to that runs to the ONT.
Edit: Subaru, I mean from the power back to the ONT, is it high voltage (needing regular AC electrical cable, like the kind that runs through your walls, i.e. Romex) or low voltage (where it can just be a Cat5 type cable). |
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Subaru
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Greenwich, CT
clubs: | reply to TVisitor
yeah thats how it is.
it's so dark now but if I get around to it tomorrow I will take a picture. |
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TVisitor
join:2000-10-07
Dumont, NJ
| That would be appreciated... I'd be eager to see the connection @ the supply and at the ONT.
I clarified your question to my question in the post right above your last one (posting while others are responding is something I'll never get used to, lol)
Thanks for the chit chat & info. |
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sdgthy
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| Many pics have been posted many times, ie: »FIOS Install - Syosset, NY w/ Pics
Search the forum.
The BBU needs to be close to the ONT, DC doesn't like long distances, but it's said the BBU can be as much as 50' from an outlet. |
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TVisitor
join:2000-10-07
Dumont, NJ
| I looked around and didn't see that one in the forum... That's what I get for looking late at night (for me at least). Thanks for posting the link.
I assume the BBU is plugged into the ONT on a seperate connection from the regular power adapter.
And it doesn't look like, from those pics that I can pre-run anything myself for the power :-/ |
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Jeffrey
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| That first Syosset post above was one I posted regarding my friend's install. Here is a link below which contains pictures of my install, which might over some perspective too.
»Syosset, NY (Long Island) 5/17 Fios Hookup - Wow! |
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peterl1365
join:2005-01-03
Murrieta, CA
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Here in Southern California, the homes are usually constructed with stucco on frame. The NID is typically located in a small enclosure (approx 16" x 12" (WxH) that fits in a cutout between the studs. A sheet metal cover protects the internals. The result is something that is very nearly flush with the wall and is usually painted to match the rest of the house.
Anyone know if the ONT will fit in the same enclosure. My neighbor got fios a few weeks ago, and they put the ONT on the inside of the garage. But I'd prefer to minimize the amount of stuff mounted inside the garage. Already got a bunch of stuff on that wall, including a sprinkler controller and satellite multiswitch. Add a power strip, BBU, Fios wall wart (P/S) and ONT with weatherproof box, and that wall starts to get very crowded. |
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Subaru
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Greenwich, CT
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August 23rd, @12:51PM
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ONT | 
Wires from ONT into basement | 
Back-Up Unit | 
Power Inverter | 
Plug for Power to Battery Back-Up | 
A Terminal Post, The wire that looks like it's pulled too tight goes to ONT | 
THe Green line is how the wire flows | 
Same here with the green lines | 
BAttery | 
Back-Up Unit LED codes | 
Front of BAttery | 
Under ONT |
And some before never seen pictures as far as I know.
Btw that Black Coax cable you see is a Cablevision line.. whatever they did they did a poor sloppy job as we have one hanging from a tree and right in front of my ONT. |
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TVisitor
join:2000-10-07
Dumont, NJ
| reply to TVisitor
Excellent Pictures, Subaru! I appreciate your efforts.
I think about all I can say is, that I'm going to have to get an outlet on the inside wall in the basement behind the ONT.
Is it safe to assume that if the power goes out in the house and the battery were to die (or, if the battery were disconnected and the power was unplugged...) that when power comes back up, that the system recovers nicely?
It looks like the cables for the most part are already attached. If Verizon doesn't want to run the cables in the ceiling (i.e. too difficult) I would have no hesitation tackling it myself, but it would involve unplugging the power (everything looks like DC anyway, and an extra 20' in the ceiling won't hurt it).
Thanks. |
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Subaru
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I unplugged the Power and it switched on to the battery, seemed smooth enough did not test the stuff back in the house, however.
you don't need an outlet behind the ONT..
they just want it to be near by the back up system as you see I still have alot of extra cable.
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