dibbb
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Re: ARRL will fight BPL to the death
ham haters?
who hates ham radio operators? I didn't know this was a group of people that other people hate...
I'm sure this is showing my ignorance, but I didn't think hams were really still around that much...
Maybe I'll dust off my CB and talk to one.
(jk, I know they're different from CB's...)
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The Folsom
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| said by dibbb  :ham haters? who hates ham radio operators? I didn't know this was a group of people that other people hate... I'm sure this is showing my ignorance, but I didn't think hams were really still around that much... Maybe I'll dust off my CB and talk to one. (jk, I know they're different from CB's...) My reply was directed to someone else. But since you bring it up... The biggest haters of hams are the people who want broadband at any price and even though hams are NOT the only victims of this tech, we seem to be the ones who are singled out for hateful comments by many posters who inevitably come out of the woodwork to take their cheap shots... This is why I stand up for hams in the face of this discrimination. We are not "Second Class Citizens"... In fact, there are roughly 650,000 hams in the United States, adding to the approximately 1,000,000 in the rest of the world. 
You are not ignorant; merely unaware of some facts. 
I am also a CBer and I abstain from the "normal" elitism that a few hams practice toward CBers... I don't hate. 
CB, ham, FRS, MURS, whatever... It's ALL good.
Cheers.
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pcscdma
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| Let's modify a CB to transmit on 10 meters, get a linear amp and point it towards Desert Hot Springs, California and see what you think about CBers!
BTW: You forgot about the unlicensed 49MHz and licensed GMRS services
Assorted links:
»www.corridor.biz/ fiber - wifi hybrid
»www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/08/01/1/ ARRL sets the record straight
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The Folsom
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| said by pcscdma :Let's modify a CB to transmit on 10 meters, get a linear amp and point it towards Desert Hot Springs, California and see what you think about CBers! BTW: You forgot about the unlicensed 49MHz and licensed GMRS services Assorted links: » www.corridor.biz/ fiber - wifi hybrid » www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/08/01/1/ ARRL sets the record straight Ho, hum on the 10 meter-to-CB mod... Proximity is more important than power. If you are in town and do that, then you have something going on.
Although your first link had some interesting material, it was nothing I had not already read elsewhere. 
As to the ARRL link, I read that one with much interest; I agree with and support their position.
I like 49 MHz and GMRS, too, but I don't have a license for GMRS-for some reason, it doesn't interest me at all.
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said by dibbb :I'm sure this is showing my ignorance, but I didn't think hams were really still around that much... They (hams of the radio operator variety) are used all the time in my area for events that require wide area coordination like parades, fireworks displays, fires, marathons, bike races, chemical spills, floods, search and rescue, just to name a few things I know about.
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pcscdma
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said by The Folsom :Although your first link had some interesting material, it was nothing I had not already read elsewhere. As to the ARRL link, I read that one with much interest; I agree with and support their position. I like 49 MHz and GMRS, too, but I don't have a license for GMRS-for some reason, it doesn't interest me at all. The links were more directed towards the kind of people who think that hams don't like BPL. Hams don't like interference. Most (all?) of the early BPL schemes used the high-power power lines to carry the data.
GMRS is for non-commercial use only and you can set up a repeater with it. It's somewhere around $60 for a 5 year license and your whole family can use it. There are 8 462mhz & 467mhz repeater pairs with a max power of 50W.
The bubble pack pirates are taking over the spectrum with their FRS/GMRS radios. But the FCC doesn't seem to care about it. More interested in breasts and shit. I think that may be why interest in GMRS is dwindling.
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The Folsom
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1 edit | The "Bubble Pack Pirates" is an apt term. the FRS does share some frequencies with GMRS and I have on many occasions heard some of their operations. FRS radios out of the box are unable to access the repeater frequencies of GMRS, though.
The "Combination" FRS/GMRS are very popular. These are most likely the "Pirates" to which you refer; these radios have a higher output on the GMRS portion. Frequently, the packaging downplays the need for an FCC license to operate on the GMRS portion, and advertise them as "22 Channels". There is usually a small advisory in the enclosed literature about requiring a license. I have met many people who have bought these and bragged about having "more channels and more power" than "regular" FRS radios. If this is brought to their attention, they usually shrug and say, "So what? I have more power and more channels than the guy next door!" But most of the combos don't have a repeater capability and at 1W output, they are not likely to cause interference to the higher powered transmitions to stations operating legitimately. Technically, it is a violation of Rules, but unless more people start using unlicensed GMRS radios to "jam" GMRS users or simply operate without a license, the FCC is not going to have the time or the interest in pursuing illegal operators(IMO). I am not aware of such occurances, but I would be surprised if there were none.
With all respect, though, I think you are incorrect about GMRS being non-commercial. There are many businesse that use it, and if they cannot get a frequency pair in their area, they must enter in to a written agreement with the owner of a local repeater.
I would be interested in hearing more about this issue, but I think I have jacked the thread far enough.
Also, the original reply I made to Retired_rich's original post was more aggressive than was necessary; in the heat of being ham radio's self appointed defender, I may not have considered the main point of his post. I wish I could edit out the post I made, but it is too late. So I offer to him here my public apology and hope that this part of the thread can die.
But thank you for your comments.
Cheers.
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