Suttonian
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The documents and photographs confirm that Jean Charles was not carrying any bags, and was wearing a denim jacket, not a bulky winter coat, as had previously been claimed.
He was behaving normally, and did not vault the barriers, even stopping to pick up a free newspaper.
He started running when we saw a tube at the platform.
He was caught on the train, and an officer had him on the floor, with both his hands held secure..... another officer came, jumped on him, shot a total of 11 bullets. 7 in the head and 1 in shoulder. 3 which missed.
watch the Ch4 news report online:
»edge.channel4.com/news/2005/08/w···azil.wmv
hes got Mongolian eyes, so yeah, shoot him.
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jvmorris
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| Did you miss this from Sunday? »observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/st···,00.html . There are articles elsewhere, but the ones I've seen are all derivative.
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pauldenton
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full story here
»www.channel4.com/news/content/ne···=1677571
»www.channel4.com/news/special-re···p?id=550
this appears to be the suspect he was mistaken for according to the C4 clip - (hussein osman, who is now in custody in italy pending extradition)
all seems pretty much as i posted here {variant(ib) - no challange} ... the key error from which all else fails being at the surveillance stage.
» Jean Charles de Menezes - a tragic death
this leak (which appears to be partial i.e. only some of the evidence so far gathered) does demonstrate that the press claim that there was no CCTV footage was rubbish (probably a journo chancing their arm imho)
i imagine the IPCC are apoplectic atm. |
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MarkH
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I say that perhaps it would be prudent to wait until the full incident has been studied and picked apart by the various commissions and enquiries that will be convened about the whole affair.
Is this a tragedy regardless of the circumstances? I'd have to say yes; but the public (yes, even those god like omniscient beings of the press  ) have yet to be informed of everything, which IMO means that anything that is said at the moment is still only speculation.
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Not really related to the original post, but I know that what I've said will probably bring out the apologists in force, so a quick message for them:- I don't give a **** how much you whine; wait for the facts before you condemn anybody and please stop your bleeding heart from making such a mess on the floor, it's a bitch getting all that blood off my shoes.
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jvmorris
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| said by MarkH  :I say that perhaps it would be prudent to wait until the full incident has been studied and picked apart by the various commissions and enquiries that will be convened about the whole affair. . . . That's starting to sound iminently reasonable.
As noted above, I'd seen an earlier article from the Observer saying that there was (reportedly) no CCTV coverage and now Channel 4 News is saying that there was. The Observer article also said that the police radios did not work down at the tube platform; whereas at least implicitly, Channel 4 seems to be maintaining that they did. As always, one of the joys of the English press.
On the other hand, I remain more impressed with the relatively calm demeanor in the videos from England. Just yesterday, I was treated to a frothing-at-the-mouth "talking head" on CNN's "Coast to Coast" program who was still getting his jollies by maintaining tha Menezes was wearing a heavy, padded coat on a day when the temp in London was "well over 90°F". I think it took me about two minutes to check the weather data for 22 July and find that the temperature was more on the order of 62°F. I would like to believe that the correspondent (Ms. Crowley) was sufficiently cognizant of the facts to realize that what the talking head just said was a gross misrepresentation. If she did, she kept it to herself. 
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