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4 edits |  Another BBR attempt to justify music pirating
This is about the 50th attempt(probably a slight exaggeration; very slight) over the last year by BBR to justify music pirating. I'd like to see the reasons that they think stealing music is a justified activity. Sure the music publishers make tons of money, and they only promote certain artists. But that doesn't justify the stealing. If artists want to control their own fate, let them get together, find some investors, and start their own distribution channels outside of the RIAA. Let them distribute using P2P channels, and let them depend on voluntary PayPal accounts to make some profits. And about 2 yrs down the road, the artists and their investors will be whining like the RIAA about the lowlifes not paying for their work.
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| I don't think they are justifying anything. I think they are just talking about the new technology that doesn't allow a person to legally transfer a purchased song onto their i-pod and how the technology that does not allow i-pod usage is not doing as it is intended (i.e. stop pirating) I think they are showing the irony. |
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I don't see that blurb as promoting stealing. The points are that:
1. Copy protection schemes merely add a few extra minutes to the initial rip and don't effectively stop illegal distribution.
2. DRM and copy protection schemes only punish those who buy the music legitimately and then find it difficult or impractical to use on common devices.
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said by GOLFnSUN  :This is about the 50th attempt over the last year by BBR to justify music pirating. I'd like to see the reasons that they think stealing music is a justified activity. I fail to see how this news article that BBR posted casts a light on BBR as justifying piracy.....
Anyway, if it can be protected, it can be broken......shift keys, sharpies, rip-burn-rip and "Hey, can I borrow a few hundred of your cds ole buddy!" come to mind:D
Useless sh*t if you ask me
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Are you purposely overlooking this part of the BBR news item:
Of course, despite the DRM, P2PNet points out the album is still being freely copied, one of the songs off it holding the number one spot among illegally traded rock music files. Despite that, the album has topped the charts - selling 736,000 units since launch, (and 23,000 digital copies).
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Point out where this blurb "justifies" piracy? It points out DRM attempts are failing. It also points out music sales are strong despite piracy.
You're in such a rush to grab the first spot on every news post every day on every subject, I'm pretty sure you don't actually read any of them. |
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See above: »Re: Another BBR attempt to justify music pirating |
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said by Karl Bode :Point out where this blurb "justifies" piracy? It points out DRM attempts are failing. It also points out music sales are strong despite piracy. You're in such a rush to grab the first spot on every news post every day on every subject, I'm pretty sure you don't actually read any of them. Bingo!
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Thank you for pointing out my argument. The technology that is supposed to stop illegal copying is only stopping legal copying! |
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Typical neocon response...kneejerk reaction without understanding what you're seeing.
BBR is QUOTING another web site news article...they cannot be held responsible for the NEWS they report...it's like blaming Saddam for Osama Bin Laden...
oh wait, the Republican's are doing that too...
This country's in deep doo doo man..Corporate interests rule, both political parties have sold out to the money god, and the freedoms we held so dear are disappearing at an alarming rate.
Go coddle another multi-billion dollar corporation and keep yer paws off DSLR.
I am an avowed Conservative libertarian, compare me to a liberal at your own risk.
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said by Karl Bode :Point out where this blurb "justifies" piracy? It points out DRM attempts are failing. It also points out music sales are strong despite piracy. I don't see a denial that you think copyright infringement(theft) is ok or that you haven't posted article after article defending the practice. The editorial selection of news stories shows what you think.
said by Karl Bode :You're in such a rush to grab the first spot on every news post every day on every subject, I'm pretty sure you don't actually read any of them. Off topic and false.
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| Copyright infringement? Where?
If you purchased the album legally, please explain where copyright infringement happens? I bought it, they took away my right to play a legally purchased CD on my ipod, so I downloaded a LEGAL COPY from a P2P network.
There's no infringement there. nothing to see.
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You're flailing your arms. I think DRM doesn't work. I think suing customers doesn't work. I think the industry can't and won't adapt. I believe in fair use rights. But we've never "justified piracy".
Still waiting for evidence this article "justifies" piracy. Can't provide any? |
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i think this artcicle here is simply explaining whats going on with the albubm, no where does it say "its ok to steal music, download as much as you can!". i seen something on CNN the other day talking about how music theft is growing, are they supporting it too?
"Of course, despite the DRM, P2PNet points out the album is still being freely copied, one of the songs off it holding the number one spot among illegally traded rock music files. Despite that, the album has topped the charts - selling 736,000 units since launch, (and 23,000 digital copies)."
where in there does it say its ok to steal music?
if you dont like BBR and their news that they give out, no one here is forcing you to read it. |
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said by GOLFnSUN :said by Karl Bode :You're in such a rush to grab the first spot on every news post every day on every subject, I'm pretty sure you don't actually read any of them. Off topic and false. Off topic, I know, but I had to back Karl Bode up on this one!
If what Karl Bode is saying is not true then why are most of your first posts a short one or two sentence post that is edited right after posting almost every time to make the post go along with the subject matter?
He is not the only one noticing.....
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Wrong!
The BBR article summarizes stories from »australianit.news.com.au/article···,00.html and »p2pnet.net/story/5818. It makes no attempt to justify anything. Don't you think if it did, the RIAA would jump on them quickly? Of course, you are free to read it & draw what conclusions you will, but they are just repeating facts from other media outlets.
What has me concerned is that you buy a CD legally and since you have an iPod & don't want to scratch & ruin the CD, you want to rip it off the CD and put the music there - but you can't. Why not? Because of the stupid DRM on the CD. So you download the music [you've already paid for it] and put it on your iPod. In that case, I'm sorry, I don't see it as stealing.
Now, if you wanted to rip it off the CD & share it out on the internet [through whatever means], that's a different story. But if you want to take a piece of music, that you own [and have paid for] and to put on a piece of personal equipment (iPod), you shouldn't be prevented from doing so. Period. |
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If you had managed to say that without the needless political trolling, I would have like your post. |
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Still doesn't support your point. Just refrences that support my point #1. I do believe they also indicate that such file is being "illegally" traded if you read the rest of the blurb.
Yes, there may be some articles on here that indicate approval or disapproval of topics but this is not one of them.
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You've a very active imagination. What you're saying is akin to saying, well, the WalMart down the boulevard just got its gun counter all set up, so WalMart condones murder. They're just REPORTING ON WHAT HAPPENED.
Hey, just another opinion here, but there's nothing in the article that says stealing is OK, and I don't even think it's implied. You're the one exaggerating that because BBR reports on new attempts at CD DRM, BBR condones music piracy.
What's really important to take away from the whole discussion is that the whole CDDA format was never designed/engineered with security or DRM in mind. Therefore, in order to remain compatible with the vast base of CD players, these new measures to try to discourage piracy are all just snake oil. In order to ensure the desired DRM, the delivery system must be engineered with that goal in mind. It's much akin to our present email system, where hosts trusted other hosts not to spam or phish or anything like that. So now we have bolt-ons like SPF, Y!DK, caller-ID for email, starttls (certificates), and so on. Because (E)SMTP was never designed with proving identity in mind, we have these various measures to combat spamming with varying levels of efficacy. Unless we can get a vast majority of sites/domain owners to switch to a new, more secure email protocol (even if it's a "mandatory" modification to the existing protocol), we're going to have the problem of email abuse. So too will we have a DRM content delivery problem until the CDDA format is deprecated (and replaced with another delivery system...it happened with vinyl->CD).
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