King75
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I thought Unions were usually conservative mainly being white male middle class people as such who tend to be conservative they want better pay and lower taxes. This is a conservative view point isn't it? |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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| said by King75  :I thought Unions were usually conservative mainly being white male middle class people as such who tend to be conservative they want better pay and lower taxes. This is a conservative view point isn't it? Well that's what they tell their members then they turn around and give money to the most socialist political candidate they can find, while dropping hints that the company is lying about their profits.
Unfortunately for them their members are starting to wake up and jump ship...especially when they realize that they don't have to belong to a giant union to participate in collective bargaining.
Hopefully the trend continues and something new rises from the ashes, a "Union" whose purpose is to help their members get the best possible wages within reason; excising their current objectives of recruiting members to fill the coffers (by making management and non-union shops the enemy) and getting certain people elected to office.
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Titus Pullo
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| It's painfully obvious that you know nothing about the history of the middle class and the role of unions to that end. I find your line re "wages within reason" interesting; reasonable wages relative to what? Do you have a metric for reasonable? Part of the reason unions have fallen from public favor is the unrelenting attack from those who oppose them. Ask yourself why any business, with plentiful labor pools and high profits, would fight to kill unions?
But it's of no matter; the health care crisis in our country makes unions a non issue. Toyota just moved potential southern-state American operations to Canada for two reasons: they couldn't afford the extensive training that bubba required (part of which is due to their no-union history having created scads of untrained and untrainable workers), and health care is provided in Canada. Both are a direct result of the very mindset that wishes unions dead: Bottom-liners and top 1%'ers that want a nation of lower class consumers rather than an educated middle class -- people like that are contrary to profits, aren't worker-droids, and know the history of worker exploitation in this country.
You're simply creating, selling, and marketing the very rope that will hang you by killing unions, denying there's a health care problem, and cutting education.
Good luck.
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Combat Chuck
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| said by Titus Pullo :I find your line re "wages within reason" interesting; reasonable wages relative to what? Meaning, demanding major increases in pay when the company you work for is on the verge of collapse would be unreasonable and counterproductive.
But counterproductive is the status quo with the major labor unions. They'd rather sabotage the nonunion contractors work areas (as opposed to a protest), force union members to protest (when the union members don't want to do the job in the first place), whine about Walmart (rather than encouraging their mostly minor members who work at the supermarkets to provide better service), and protect workers who can't/won't do their job from being fired or even placed in other jobs where they can/do but don't particularly enjoy ("I'm not working to slow, you're doing all the work cause you working too fast" - a coworker); than actually do anything that makes sense. All this is just from personal experience. Hell they aren't even willing to wage a proper protest; everyone lounging around in chairs talking like they're having a little get together with the friends at home.
Maybe the reason I see it this way is because I have enough self respect to be willing to quit if I'm mistreated and I've been smart enough to create an environment where I can do so and survive. Too bad most people have no idea how to put money away for when they need it, and lack the will to give up their cable TV to make it last; so they've created a situation where they are chained to their current employer due to their short sightedness and lack of self control.
I think it's telling that just a couple days ago the AFLCIO announced that they were pissed off that the other unions were stealing members.
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en102
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As a Canadian living in Los Angeles, I do agree that health care coverage through taxes is an incentive to corporations due to the expensive nature of U.S. 2 tiered health care system. Give it long enough, and Canada's system will end up in a similar situation. Toyota has had a plant in Canada for many years, as does Honda, GM, Ford, and Daimler Chrysler. I have been inside GM Engine plant as a contractor, and can relate to some of the union mentality, especially among the older workers. |
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