JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | reply to Alex81
Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change)
you should go to www.voices-for-change.com and post that offer there..
if that doesn't work use Pfak's proxy... »vfc.proxy.pfak.org |
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alex81
@shawcable.net | I have messaged a few people it, Although i do not have posting access, if you would like feel free to cut and paste that into a post.
you can also contact me via msn using that same e-mail address.
Thanks
Alex |
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pfak
Premium
join:2002-12-29
Canada | reply to edmtech
Wonder how long before they null-route my proxies. |
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edmtech
Premium
join:2004-07-27
Edmonton, AB | reply to edmtech
Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change)
Pfak, I have about 100 domains and unlimited IP's. We can just keep moving the proxy around if they null route it. |
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JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | reply to Anon
what do you mean?
we're complaining about the lack of job security offered in the current telus offer... |
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B00YAH
@mc.videotro | reply to edmtech
I can't belive I work for a company that censors websites. That goes to show how strong they are. Screw you, I can't wait to find another job. Goddamn money... |
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Styvas
Go Canucks Go
Premium
join:2004-09-15
Waterloo, ON
 ·Shaw
 ·Primus Talkbroadband
| reply to Alex81
said by Alex81:
I have webspace on shaw to spare for scab pics. e-mail me at atothetriplex@shaw.ca if you would like them posted.
I'm curious as to the point of posting pictures of scabs. My assumption, although anyone can correct me, is that the union members wish to humiliate those employees who have chosen a different course of action for their job security.
I'm more than aware that this attitude is decades old, but that doesn't make it right. Union members complain about being treated like sh*t by their company, but then turn around and harrass members or other workers who choose to make their own principled stand. In any other context that sort of treatment towards a colleague would be actionable under human rights legislation. But the attitude is so ingrained in society that we're willing to turn a blind eye to it in a strike situation.
Steve
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JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
| The reson for posting the pictures is to be able to identify people that are unknown. There are many reps in different call centers in BC and AB and we want to know who to charge under the unions charter.
For example: a prince george manager goes to burnaby as they have been reassigned. The burnaby members have never seen that person before. If we post the pic we can the Identify that person. Same thing with a BU member. |
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JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | By the way... if they're doing nothing wrong then they won't be humiliated by it. There's nothing illegal about it. |
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alex81
@shawcable.net | I just want to make a page mocking those bottom feeding peices of crap. |
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JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | reply to edmtech
LOL.... I won't be stoping you |
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pfak
Premium
join:2002-12-29
Canada | reply to edmtech
Pictures tonight  |
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Styvas
Go Canucks Go
Premium
join:2004-09-15
Waterloo, ON
·Shaw
·Primus Talkbroadband
| reply to JammerMan79
said by JammerMan79  :The reson for posting the pictures is to be able to identify people that are unknown. There are many reps in different call centers in BC and AB and we want to know who to charge under the unions charter. For example: a prince george manager goes to burnaby as they have been reassigned. The burnaby members have never seen that person before. If we post the pic we can the Identify that person. Same thing with a BU member. I don't have a problem with the Union wanting to identify those members who are crossing its picket lines. But please explain why those pictures (if they are meant for union purposes only) would be placed on a public site.
The honest truth (and you know it as well as I do) is that unions for decades have done whatever they can to harass and humiliate "scabs." If the only way in which the union can track which of its members are crossing the line is to post those pictures on a public website, then the Union needs to come up with a process that meets its needs, but treats its members with respect--respect for them as people, not agreement with their stance.
Look, I realize it's standard practice, and I'm not pointing a finger here at the TWU in particular; but, I'm simply questioning the motivation of organized labour to bully and harass those who disagree or stand up to the majority. The Union wouldn't stand for it under an existing CBA, and would protest if management did it to members during job action.
Although there is existing legal precedent for non-sexual harassment, the trend continues to move toward specifically defining psychological harassment and enshrining it into law. Unions need to recognize that it's not the 1920s and 30s (or 80s and 90s for that matter) and begin the process of educating members on what it means to face interpersonal and organizational conflict in the 21st century. Companies are no longer allowed to bring in union busters (in the physical violence sense), nor should unions involve themselves in abusive behaviour towards members or the public.
This discussion would probably be better in the Canadian Politics forum (and I am starting to feel bad at having gotten the 'thanks to pfak ' thread off topic). If there is anyone here who wants to discuss this and has CanPol access, I'll repost in that forum (I'm genuinely interested to hear dissenting opinions with good reasons--I think it's a worthwhile debate).
Steve
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JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
| But what exactly is considered a public website?
Would having to register still be considered public?
What criteria would you have to meet to be consisdered a private website?
Considering you have to register and provide a valid e-mail address is how VFC is run that did not stop Telus from Blocking that site from their network. Would it really make a difference to Telus? |
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Styvas
Go Canucks Go
Premium
join:2004-09-15
Waterloo, ON
·Shaw
·Primus Talkbroadband
| said by JammerMan79 :But what exactly is considered a public website? Would having to register still be considered public? What criteria would you have to meet to be consisdered a private website? Considering you have to register and provide a valid e-mail address is how VFC is run that did not stop Telus from Blocking that site from their network. Would it really make a difference to Telus? Can a non-TWU member register? Or is it only for Telus' or other companies' employees belonging to the TWU? To me that would certainly make a difference.
As my main point is one of potential harassment, I guess it doesn't matter what would make a difference to me, but what would make a difference to a human rights tribunal.
Please don't misunderstand. Neither am I in support of Telus in this case, nor am I against the TWU following what is legal, due process during job action. The actions and policies themselves are not what I take exception to (although my personal perspective on labour relations differs from that of the mainstream unions). It's what appears to be blatant bullying of members or others who cross the picket lines that concerns me for its legality and potentially emotional or psychological harm to the employees.
Some will sarcastically cry "boo hoo" at the idea of emotional harm. Perhaps those same people have never been on the receiving end of bullying in the workplace. Or perhaps they are too blinded by their "brother/sisterhood" to care about anything other than the collective. I don't know.
But as I said, in this context society seems to turn a blind eye to what would be illegal in any other context. But that doesn't make it right. It just means that the union and its members can get away with it. I would be curious to know, however (and some of the CanPol folks would probably know), if a "scab" has every attempted to charge a union or individual members with harassment (assuming they were genuinely harassed, and not just pissed off).
Steve
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pfak
Premium
join:2002-12-29
Canada
·Shaw
 ·Novus Entertainmen..
| said by Styvas :Can a non-TWU member register? Or is it only for Telus' or other companies' employees belonging to the TWU? To me that would certainly make a difference. Anybody can register, if you can get forum posting priviliages or not, you must provide your phone number and someone will contact you.
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We want Liontaur back, the new TELUS forum moderator is a nazi. |
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JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
| reply to Styvas
I think someone is setting up a private website that requires a membership fee of $.01
The company has been threatening and harassing our members for months now... Offices were threatened to be closed if those members were picketing or striking... all of this has been completely illegal...
Our members were more relaxed earlier because we knew that some people were scared not to cross as they were threatened that they would be fired. Now it's been too long... They no longer have the same leeway.
The people that are crossing are breaking the unions rules... If they only get yelled at they're lucky. In the end they'll probably go up on charges through the unions charter. Not only that but they will probably loose their job at the request from the union. |
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