edmtech
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join:2004-07-27
Edmonton, AB
1 edit | Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) For providing us with a way to access the Voices for Change website.
They are a bunch of ungrateful pricks. I just filed my complaint with Technical Support. I am switching to Shaw.
How dare they even attempt to censor us? When are my websites going to be censored? I am going to go down to the Toll Building and start photographing the scabs that are going in and post them. When I get blocked I am going to sue them so hard they won't know what hit them.
Access VFC by : »vfc.proxy.pfak.org | |
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JammerMan79
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join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) Yes thank you Pfak....
I filed a complaint with tech support (twice) send off a complaint to the crtc (even though they can't do anything about internet) and I e-mail 3 news organizations... | |
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Telus_Tech
join:2003-11-17
Canada | I must agree block that site is low,they told it s being investigate, will seem monday if they still lock it , i m working in Montreal and dont think is a good thing if they did it on purpose. | |
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edmtech
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Edmonton, AB | I figured you are in Montreal. Are you guys not represented by the TWU? | |
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JammerMan79
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Prince George, BC | Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) nope if they were they'd get paid more....
telus_tech... how much do you guys get? | |
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edmtech
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join:2004-07-27
Edmonton, AB | Probably more than us in Edmonton *grrr* | |
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Telus_Tech
join:2003-11-17
Canada | we are not unionized and we get 17.38$ + variable pay and medical care | |
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edmtech
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join:2004-07-27
Edmonton, AB | Holy shit. That's impressive. Glad to see Telus treats it's non unionized workers better. | |
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Telus_Tech
join:2003-11-17
Canada | but in the last year we didn t get a raise the only raise variable pay that s all and lots of people leaving they hire all the time. | |
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Telus_Tech
join:2003-11-17
Canada | how many tech works in edmonton for tech support ? | |
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edmtech
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join:2004-07-27
Edmonton, AB | 400 | |
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JammerMan79
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join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) how's the turnout by the way? | |
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Telus_Tech
join:2003-11-17
Canada | god you must get lots of idle time. | |
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Telus_Tech
join:2003-11-17
Canada | its about 60% that s dont stay a year | |
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JammerMan79
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join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | Sorry telus_tech.... that was for edmtech, I'll rephrase... what percentage crossed the picket line? | |
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fifonet
join:2005-07-23
T3T3T3 | It's a pretty good turn out on the picket line, but still disappointing. It's hard to tell, a lot of people decided to neither work nor picket so I cant even estimate. I have been told that the entire Abuse department is scabbing. | |
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meyoui
| "For providing us with a way to access the Voices for Change website.
They are a bunch of ungrateful pricks. I just filed my complaint with Technical Support."
Why does this site not work as "www.voices-for-change.com" The jist i am getting is that telus is blocking this site???
If true i would really like to know | |
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JammerMan79
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join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) it was confirmed via tech support and e.care instant messaging... when more and more people started calling in they changed the story | |
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madashellatelus
| I just called telus to complain and they a saying its a routing problem and they are working on it, hmmmm i can ping others on the same subnet just fine though, f@@ckers. I am not a telus employee but when they start to decide what i can and cannot see i get very, very angry.
norah#ping -c 2 www.voices-for-change.com
PING www.voices-for-change.com (204.14.106.29): 56 data bytes
2 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
norah#ping -c 2 204.14.106.28
PING 204.14.106.28 (204.14.106.28): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 204.14.106.28: icmp_seq=0 ttl=113 time=127.937 ms
64 bytes from 204.14.106.28: icmp_seq=1 ttl=113 time=109.192
ms
PING 204.14.106.30 (204.14.106.30): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 204.14.106.30: icmp_seq=0 ttl=113 time=120.378 ms
64 bytes from 204.14.106.30: icmp_seq=1 ttl=113 time=120.181 ms
Of course it works just fine from a shaw connection. | |
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Alex81
@shawcable.net | I have webspace on shaw to spare for scab pics. e-mail me at atothetriplex@shaw.ca if you would like them posted. | |
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JammerMan79
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join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) you should go to www.voices-for-change.com and post that offer there..
if that doesn't work use Pfak's proxy... »vfc.proxy.pfak.org | |
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alex81
@shawcable.net | Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) I have messaged a few people it, Although i do not have posting access, if you would like feel free to cut and paste that into a post.
you can also contact me via msn using that same e-mail address.
Thanks
Alex | |
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Styvas
Go Canucks Go
Premium
join:2004-09-15
Waterloo, ON
 ·Shaw
 ·Primus Talkbroadband
| said by Alex81:
I have webspace on shaw to spare for scab pics. e-mail me at atothetriplex@shaw.ca if you would like them posted.
I'm curious as to the point of posting pictures of scabs. My assumption, although anyone can correct me, is that the union members wish to humiliate those employees who have chosen a different course of action for their job security.
I'm more than aware that this attitude is decades old, but that doesn't make it right. Union members complain about being treated like sh*t by their company, but then turn around and harrass members or other workers who choose to make their own principled stand. In any other context that sort of treatment towards a colleague would be actionable under human rights legislation. But the attitude is so ingrained in society that we're willing to turn a blind eye to it in a strike situation.
Steve
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JammerMan79
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join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
| Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) The reson for posting the pictures is to be able to identify people that are unknown. There are many reps in different call centers in BC and AB and we want to know who to charge under the unions charter.
For example: a prince george manager goes to burnaby as they have been reassigned. The burnaby members have never seen that person before. If we post the pic we can the Identify that person. Same thing with a BU member. | |
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JammerMan79
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join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) By the way... if they're doing nothing wrong then they won't be humiliated by it. There's nothing illegal about it. | |
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alex81
@shawcable.net | Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) I just want to make a page mocking those bottom feeding peices of crap. | |
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Styvas
Go Canucks Go
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join:2004-09-15
Waterloo, ON
·Shaw
·Primus Talkbroadband
| said by JammerMan79  :The reson for posting the pictures is to be able to identify people that are unknown. There are many reps in different call centers in BC and AB and we want to know who to charge under the unions charter. For example: a prince george manager goes to burnaby as they have been reassigned. The burnaby members have never seen that person before. If we post the pic we can the Identify that person. Same thing with a BU member. I don't have a problem with the Union wanting to identify those members who are crossing its picket lines. But please explain why those pictures (if they are meant for union purposes only) would be placed on a public site.
The honest truth (and you know it as well as I do) is that unions for decades have done whatever they can to harass and humiliate "scabs." If the only way in which the union can track which of its members are crossing the line is to post those pictures on a public website, then the Union needs to come up with a process that meets its needs, but treats its members with respect--respect for them as people, not agreement with their stance.
Look, I realize it's standard practice, and I'm not pointing a finger here at the TWU in particular; but, I'm simply questioning the motivation of organized labour to bully and harass those who disagree or stand up to the majority. The Union wouldn't stand for it under an existing CBA, and would protest if management did it to members during job action.
Although there is existing legal precedent for non-sexual harassment, the trend continues to move toward specifically defining psychological harassment and enshrining it into law. Unions need to recognize that it's not the 1920s and 30s (or 80s and 90s for that matter) and begin the process of educating members on what it means to face interpersonal and organizational conflict in the 21st century. Companies are no longer allowed to bring in union busters (in the physical violence sense), nor should unions involve themselves in abusive behaviour towards members or the public.
This discussion would probably be better in the Canadian Politics forum (and I am starting to feel bad at having gotten the 'thanks to pfak ' thread off topic). If there is anyone here who wants to discuss this and has CanPol access, I'll repost in that forum (I'm genuinely interested to hear dissenting opinions with good reasons--I think it's a worthwhile debate).
Steve
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JammerMan79
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join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
| Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) But what exactly is considered a public website?
Would having to register still be considered public?
What criteria would you have to meet to be consisdered a private website?
Considering you have to register and provide a valid e-mail address is how VFC is run that did not stop Telus from Blocking that site from their network. Would it really make a difference to Telus? | |
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Styvas
Go Canucks Go
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join:2004-09-15
Waterloo, ON
·Shaw
·Primus Talkbroadband
| Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) said by JammerMan79 :But what exactly is considered a public website? Would having to register still be considered public? What criteria would you have to meet to be consisdered a private website? Considering you have to register and provide a valid e-mail address is how VFC is run that did not stop Telus from Blocking that site from their network. Would it really make a difference to Telus? Can a non-TWU member register? Or is it only for Telus' or other companies' employees belonging to the TWU? To me that would certainly make a difference.
As my main point is one of potential harassment, I guess it doesn't matter what would make a difference to me, but what would make a difference to a human rights tribunal.
Please don't misunderstand. Neither am I in support of Telus in this case, nor am I against the TWU following what is legal, due process during job action. The actions and policies themselves are not what I take exception to (although my personal perspective on labour relations differs from that of the mainstream unions). It's what appears to be blatant bullying of members or others who cross the picket lines that concerns me for its legality and potentially emotional or psychological harm to the employees.
Some will sarcastically cry "boo hoo" at the idea of emotional harm. Perhaps those same people have never been on the receiving end of bullying in the workplace. Or perhaps they are too blinded by their "brother/sisterhood" to care about anything other than the collective. I don't know.
But as I said, in this context society seems to turn a blind eye to what would be illegal in any other context. But that doesn't make it right. It just means that the union and its members can get away with it. I would be curious to know, however (and some of the CanPol folks would probably know), if a "scab" has every attempted to charge a union or individual members with harassment (assuming they were genuinely harassed, and not just pissed off).
Steve
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pfak
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join:2002-12-29
Canada
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| Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) said by Styvas :Can a non-TWU member register? Or is it only for Telus' or other companies' employees belonging to the TWU? To me that would certainly make a difference. Anybody can register, if you can get forum posting priviliages or not, you must provide your phone number and someone will contact you.
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JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
| I think someone is setting up a private website that requires a membership fee of $.01
The company has been threatening and harassing our members for months now... Offices were threatened to be closed if those members were picketing or striking... all of this has been completely illegal...
Our members were more relaxed earlier because we knew that some people were scared not to cross as they were threatened that they would be fired. Now it's been too long... They no longer have the same leeway.
The people that are crossing are breaking the unions rules... If they only get yelled at they're lucky. In the end they'll probably go up on charges through the unions charter. Not only that but they will probably loose their job at the request from the union. | |
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pfak
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join:2002-12-29
Canada | Wonder how long before they null-route my proxies. | |
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JammerMan79
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join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | Re: Thank-you Pfak (Voices for change) what do you mean?
we're complaining about the lack of job security offered in the current telus offer... | |
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edmtech
Premium
join:2004-07-27
Edmonton, AB | Pfak, I have about 100 domains and unlimited IP's. We can just keep moving the proxy around if they null route it. | |
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B00YAH
@mc.videotro | I can't belive I work for a company that censors websites. That goes to show how strong they are. Screw you, I can't wait to find another job. Goddamn money... | |
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JammerMan79
Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC | LOL.... I won't be stoping you | |
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