Shack
join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN
| reply to BeesTea
Re: Will Insight follows Comcast's upgrades?
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Well lucky you - you must live an area where you have the choice to switch. Many of us don't.
That is my point! Well partially, I do have an option $75 a month for 1.5/384 dsl. I agree Insight is not the cheapest, nor the fastest, but it is not the worst. Pretty middle of the road for Cable providers. Are they the best value, no. I also don't think they are a rip off. So stick that in your hat. |
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BeesTea
Network Janitor
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join:2003-03-08
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| reply to adz133
said by adz133  :Comparing residential ISP's and commercial ISP's isn't fair. It's completely fair. Before cable, that's exactly what I had to pay for. Consider yourself lucky to get 4mb for anything close to what we pay.
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adz133
join:2002-12-03
| reply to frankenfeet
Comparing residential ISP's and commercial ISP's isn't fair. A T1 line comes with an uptime SLA, and is a dedicated line. You could pump full duplex 1.544mbps through your T1 and nobody would care. Nobody would care if you ran porn servers. That $200-$400 per month would buy you complete freedom to do what you wanted to do with the bandwidth, as long as it was within the law.
A T1 line from an upper tier provider is usually far more stable, in all ways. It has greater uptime, more reliable throughput, and better latency. It also guarantees its uptime, and it allows you to run servers. That's what real money buys.
Things are completely different in the world of a residential ISP. A residential ISP can provide very high throughputs, but with poor reliability (relative to a dedicated line), and not provide that bandwidth to all its users simultaneously. If everyone on insight hopped online to download redhat iso's at the same time, insight's lines would be thoroughly bogged down and nobody would even see a megabit. This is true for every residential ISP. They oversell their bandwidth in order to advertise higher speeds and turn a profit on the more expensive lines they buy to resell.
The lack of competition between cable providers (and even providers through other media) due to the nature of our political system provides a good reason to feel ripped off. |
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BeesTea
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join:2003-03-08
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| reply to IGGY
said by IGGY :Well lucky you - you must live an area where you have the choice to switch. Many of us don't. And honestly anyone who makes a comment that we are getting a good return or value for our money. Hasn't done a hard look at pricing and speeds being offered within the industry at this time. Everyone in the insight area has a choice. They can choose Insight, or Direcway at a minimum. It's very likely they can choose to get commercial service from an ISP as well. Anyone who thinks they're getting ripped off needs to compare the 4mb they get from insight to the 1.5mb they'll pay ~$250.00-$400.00 a month for from an ISP like Covad.
If you're stuck with Insight, be glad you are. If it weren't for them you'd be paying 8x the amount for 1/3 the speed.
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IGGY
No Guru Just Here To Help
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join:2001-03-30
Chatham, IL
| reply to Shack
Well lucky you - you must live an area where you have the choice to switch. Many of us don't. And honestly anyone who makes a comment that we are getting a good return or value for our money. Hasn't done a hard look at pricing and speeds being offered within the industry at this time. Insight once again is lagging behind in regards to speeds and pricing. This is really nothing new. And honestly they can't seem to keep things running smoothly for many customers with the current speed offerings. It would most likely only get worse with a speed upgrade.
Since SBC isn't getting fiber happy to soon - like Verizon is. You won't see Insight getting to worried about lowering prices or increasing speeds. Yes I'm aware SBC is only competition for Insight in some areas. But if you use this as an example. It shows that competition is the only way to get upgrades. Not many companies ( ok OOL / Cablevision ) will offer a highend service when their competition doesn't.
But once again OOL is a good example of what I stated above. Since they now have some heavy competition from Verizon. Do to Verizon's fiber rollout. Your now seeing that OOL is being beat at it's own game. The company is no longer the fastest consumer broadband provider. So they are having to now play catch up to stop customers from leaving their service for the Verizon offerings.
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Shack
join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN
| reply to frankenfeet
BoTomaTic, if you really think it is a rip off switch to the company in your area that has a better service. Sure Comcast is going to upgrade, and likely if we look at the past Insight will follow a few months later. Frankly I am glad that we do not have the invisible caps Comcast has, so I know I can use my bandwidth the way I wan't. I really do not have a problem with caps, as long as they are up front and reasonable. Insight is a business and I htink our rates are not that bad for the money, sure I want more just like all of us do. I tend to be reasonable on the matter. |
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IGGY
No Guru Just Here To Help
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-30
Chatham, IL
| reply to frankenfeet
»Any Chance of Insight/ comcast speed upgrades
»[Speeds] Are the upgrade wars back
»Insight says no to price wars
»Louisville - Franchise contract up in 2006? |
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BoToMaTiC
join:2003-10-29
Louisville, KY
| reply to frankenfeet
oh come on, when you look around here and see cable companies upgrading to faster speeds at the same price that people paying for insightbb and you wonder well whats so different about them, im felling ripped off and just look at the new 30$ plan for new users that sign up while others pay alot more, i mean hell i know its a way to lure more users in but you should lower it for other users that have been with you for like 3 years.
and in the end its all about the money
i mean sure making money is okay for a business but ripping your users off just to fill your pockets is wrong. |
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probablyso
@insightBB.com |  reply to frankenfeet
i have a feeling this will happen sometime. only makes sense, most of us have recently seen emails about the service being down while they installed new equipment... there's probably a reason for that. |
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Shack
join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN
| reply to frankenfeet
quote:
all these other cable companies are upgrading while insight just sits there getting owned.
What? Cable companies do not compete with each other, they compete with dsl, dialup and Fiber. I would say that some DSL providers are offering a better value, the only one available to me is not.
More on topic: I would like to see them do that, even more so I wish the upgrade to the Plus level was $12 like Comcasts. Though my wife will kill me if my insight bill gets any bigger. |
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BoToMaTiC
join:2003-10-29
Louisville, KY | reply to frankenfeet
ffs they better, they preddy much rip us off price wise anyways and all these other cable companies are upgrading while insight just sits there getting owned. |
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frankenfeet
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join:2001-10-14
Smiths Grove, KY
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| Since Comcast's recent announcement of a 6Mb and 8Mb tier, and since Insight usually follows Comcast when it comes to upgrades, is there a chance we'll see 6Mb for regular users and 8Mb for Plus? I know Insight already offers 6Mb for Plus users, but it looks as though 6Mb will be for everyone on Comcast's network, and 8Mb for their Plus version.
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