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MattUK
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1 edit | Re: Peer Guardian Does near to nothing. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Waste of bandwidth, HD space and RAM, IMO.
Edit - it's meant to block corporations from seeing you. | |
| backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | it keeps your computer from connecting to groups that are known to be anti-p2p... 7 million ip's to be exact (just for anti-p2p)
the lists are updated regularly by people who spend thier time cross referencing ip's from logs... | |
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hitachi369
Embrace Your Rights
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Grand Rapids, MI | Re: Peer Guardian Ie pulling IP out of there asses. They recently blocked news-hosting, hardly an **AA bady. | |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
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| Re: Peer Guardian said by tcharp  :What y'all have said is pretty much what I'm finding as well. It's hard for me to understand why it is so highly touted on a couple of torrent sites I've visited. Also, the only address that I have seen it block is the Unix-girl address that DSLR is using for a substitute monitor site. I'm thinkin' she is not a bad guy. I'll save my disk space. Thanks, -TC It's touted on sites because the people that run them are idiots. These are the same people that still reference the "internet privacy act" and believe it actually exists and that they can just say "No police allowed!" and the police aren't allowed in...heh
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ctrip
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| Pretty much useless IMHO. It's supposed to block IP addresses from the RIAA, MPAA, and others like that.
But just think about it for a second. Even if it managed to block all IP addresses from every RIAA building and facility in the world (which seems rather far fetched), what prevents the RIAA investigator from going home and getting on his residential high speed internet account and monitoring IP's sharing copyrighted material? That's right, absolutely nothing.
Then you must consider the unintended opposite effect. While trying to block these large blocks of "bad" IP addresses, how many good or benign IP addresses are getting blocked by mistake?
It's sort of like snake oil. It might make you feel better, but it really doesn't do much good.
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THE MANN
join:2004-08-31 | pg is one of the biggest bs it does nothing for you but block good sites.
the idea of being safe by blocking IPs is just ridiculous
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kywirelessgu
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1 edit | I don't use PG, but my feeling is, if it blocks one IP of some baddy then its worth it, right? Sure its not fool proof, but I'd rather be standing in the middle of the interstate with socks than with nothing at all.
You'll always be connecting to other people without PG, who have your IP in their logs who the baddies can track, so it'll never be foolproof as long as not everyone uses it.
I also think if the RIAA busted me from one of their home computers I'd have a pretty big loophole in court.
That being said, its pretty much worthless software, though the newest version allows you to pretty easilly turn off blocking http so it won't shut down your websites, though one of the great side affects of the software is it blocks IP's of known adware sites so it could potentially block a trojan.
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kw
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| I noticed that it is useful for a few things. It can block ads if you choose it to do so. It also can give you a heads up if you're downloading a fake song or not...it goes balistic if you try and download a fake song off of P2P...but yeah...for the most part its useless. | |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
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| Re: Peer Guardian said by kw :I noticed that it is useful for a few things. It can block ads if you choose it to do so. It also can give you a heads up if you're downloading a fake song or not...it goes balistic if you try and download a fake song off of P2P...but yeah...for the most part its useless. Only if that fake song is coming from one of the listed sources. It really doesn't prevent fakes since the biggest problem is people do not delete the fake songs they download from their share directory so then you have joe schmoe sharing the fake song as well.
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kw
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| Re: Peer Guardian Usually they target legit songs, then when you attempt to download the song, it'll contact one of the "bad" files and download garbage. I think they spoof the hashes on the songs. So they have a bunch of machines sharing "static" of popular songs. Speed of Sound by Coldplay is a good example of a song that'd be difficult to find if you tried to download it. | |
| Kujo__
join:2002-07-18
1 edit | Prior to using IP blockers such as PeerGuardian and Protowall (I currently use Peer Guardian 2), on a few occasions, I got copyright warnings from my ISP at the time. Since using them, I've never gotten a warning. You have nothing to loose by using one of these apps. CPU usage, and memory usage are non issues with PeerGuardian 2. If you use P2P apps a lot, you should use them. Perhaps I use Peer Guardian out of paranoia, but it makes me feel safer.
From the Peer Guardian FAQ:
Q. How safe is PeerGuardian, really?
A. Well, it is accurate in the sense that it blocks everything on your blocklist. It is impossible to know _all_ the addresses to block, so while it will increase your safety to a good extent, it can never be perfect. | |
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hitachi369
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Grand Rapids, MI
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| Re: Peer Guardian I've taped a banana to the side of my computer and haven't gotten a letter since then. Some say that I am foolish for doing so, but I have not gotten 1 fake file nor a letter since then. Too much of a coincidence not to be true.
I also switched to Usenet at the same time, but I don't think that factors into this.
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ctrip
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| Re: Peer Guardian said by kywirelessgu :Can't be all bad, right? Since we are discussing Peerguardian, I'd have to respectfully disagree.
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ctrip
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New Cumberland, PA | Re: Peer Guardian That is correct. | |
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Morpheusneo1
@rr.com | Listen you fool! If PG blocks known addresses of peering eyes, that is good enuf for me. Plus it eats up 2 mb of your hard drive and maybe 1 mb of ram if that. So install and quit bitching. | |
| decx
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Vancouver, BC | A false sense of security is worse than no security at all. | |
| Sven77
join:2000-10-17
Worcester, MA | i use peer guardian. seems silly not to use a tool designed to protect you. would you guys argue against using a firewall or anti-virus ? | |
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Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS
| Re: Peer Guardian No, because a firewall and antivirus programs are actually worthwhile. Yes. I have tried both. No I don't use either. I've been doing P2P since napster and have not had one letter. Of course I'm smart enough not to run it 24/7 among other things. When I ran Peerguardian, it reported the same people were trying to connect with me over and over. The thing was none were even remotely connected to the RIAA or MPAA. Wake up. It's a placebo. I know people who have had their service shut off and they WERE running Peerguardian V2 with full updates.
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Worcester, MA | Re: Peer Guardian emule has a IP filter that can use a list generated by Peer Guardian, thats what I use. It only affects connections with emule p2p. spybot also has an immunize feature, but that is for adware and other attacks. | |
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HarryPearTesticles
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| Bah,saying peer guardian is non-sense is a load of crap.Like a few others that have posted here,i was running servers full of stuff before napster ever existed,and have experienced all the crap that is out there to experience.
If your using the right blockllist in peer guardian it will help a ton.I just switched pc's and havent installed pg yet on this new one,or i would show a log of the bad guys who i would bet none of you would like to see checking in on you,places like n.a.s.a.,six or seven different millitary facilities,mgm,disney,italian and uk goverment p2p agencies,a numerous amount of software and game companies a few thousand,sometimes more a day.I'm an avid user always have been,keep everything running 24/7/365,Have a run a dozen p2p/torrent sites,even have a new dc one coming up by sunday evening.
Personally i would rather have nasa,and the multi billion dollar companies,and the military basaes blocked,rather then having them tracking my every move and me not even knowing it."It is better to be safe then sorry folks" I say your a fool to not protect yourself the best you can,it wouldnt have been made for you to use if it was worthless,and surely it wouldnt be given away for free if they stood to gain something from thier supposed "worthless" product.So make your own choice's(obviously)and be safe,or go and take an even bigger chance of getting sued for more money then you can probly afford.
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ctrip
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| Re: Peer Guardian said by HarryPearTesticles:
I say your a fool to not protect yourself the best you can,it wouldnt have been made for you to use if it was worthless,and surely it wouldnt be given away for free if they stood to gain something from thier supposed "worthless" product.
Huh? You sort of lost me there.
I suspect they give it away for free precisely because it is worthless. I mean, who in their right mind would pay for such a worthless piece of useless crap? | |
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Jsouth
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Wichita, KS | I have only one thing to say about this losers post and that is "Bullsh*t!!!"
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
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1 edit | said by HarryPearTesticles:
Bah,saying peer guardian is non-sense is a load of crap.Like a few others that have posted here,i was running servers full of stuff before napster ever existed,and have experienced all the crap that is out there to experience.
If your using the right blockllist in peer guardian it will help a ton.I just switched pc's and havent installed pg yet on this new one,or i would show a log of the bad guys who i would bet none of you would like to see checking in on you,places like n.a.s.a.,six or seven different millitary facilities,mgm,disney,italian and uk goverment p2p agencies,a numerous amount of software and game companies a few thousand,sometimes more a day.I'm an avid user always have been,keep everything running 24/7/365,Have a run a dozen p2p/torrent sites,even have a new dc one coming up by sunday evening.
Personally i would rather have nasa,and the multi billion dollar companies,and the military basaes blocked,rather then having them tracking my every move and me not even knowing it."It is better to be safe then sorry folks" I say your a fool to not protect yourself the best you can,it wouldnt have been made for you to use if it was worthless,and surely it wouldnt be given away for free if they stood to gain something from thier supposed "worthless" product.So make your own choice's(obviously)and be safe,or go and take an even bigger chance of getting sued for more money then you can probly afford.
PearTesticle's.........Out.
LOL, this is such utter BS it's hysterical. You really think NASA was investigating your computer..LOL This is exactly why PeerGuardian is BS, because it tells you such things that are blatantly wrong
Try investing in a packet sniffer and find out what traffic is really coming to you etc if you really think NASA and "military bases" are scanning your comp
LOL is all I can say
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some guy
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or i would show a log of the bad guys who i would bet none of you would like to see checking in on you,places like n.a.s.a.,six or seven different millitary facilities,mgm,disney,italian and uk goverment p2p agencies,a numerous amount of software and game companies a few thousand,sometimes more a day.
and who supplies the names? oh yeah, the guys who made the bullshit blocklist
who are you blocking? nasa? they sure are suing for a lot of movie and music infringement. the millitary[sic]? are they carpetbombing p2p servers now?
it's all paranoid nonsense purveyed by paranoid uninformed bozos like this pear guy | |
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RandomWhim
join:2005-05-25
Cedar Rapids, IA
| Amen.
"I'll save my disk space"?! If your hard drive is so small that 2mb will break ya...the effectiveness of PeerGuardian2 is the least of your worries. 
It has a very, very small system footprint, and it blocks a ton of nasty IP's.
On second thought, don't use it. None of you use it please. Somebody has to get caught for illegal downloads so the **AA's don't come after PeerGuardian for working so well to thwart them.
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| Re: Peer Guardian said by RandomWhim :On second thought, don't use it. None of you use it please. Somebody has to get caught for illegal downloads so the **AA's don't come after PeerGuardian for working so well to thwart them. That's funny right there. Enjoy your false sense of security.
This Simpsons line explains all of it:
Later, a full-force Bear Patrol is on watch. Homer watches proudly.
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
-Lisa: That's spacious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
-Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
-Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
-Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
-Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
--------[Homer thinks of this, then pulls out some money]
Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
--------[Lisa refuses at first, then takes the exchange]
So.. Wanna buy a tiger protection system? 
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twizlar
I dont think so.
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Brantford, ON | There wouldn't be a need for such crapp programs as PG if people would wake up and stop using lousy programs such as BT and DC++. Usenet > * kkthx
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| erthwjim
join:2003-06-26
San Diego, CA
| Let's compare peer guardian to a condom, although it doesn't offer 100% protection, it still does offer some protection. And granted maybe a lot of those IPs are fake or just useless, but then again, some protection is better than none. An antivirus program isn't 100% effective, but it's still useful and most would recommend its use. I would say the same thing is true of peer guardian.
Of course as stated earlier, usenet is the way to go. Sure it's leaching, but hey you can't get in trouble for uploading, and the speeds are always consistent. But usenet doesn't have everything and neither does P2P. Usenet you have to request, P2P usually has more variety. You want anonymous, use freenet, but it's slow as hell, and hard to find things.
And one more thing, if free is worthless than what does that make linux. People pay for Windows and it has a lot of problems, linux is free and it has less. As far as I knew the open source community (free) is a lot more innovative than the closed source community. | |
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some guy
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| Re: Peer Guardian quote:
Let's compare peer guardian to a condom, although it doesn't offer 100% protection, it still does offer some protection. And granted maybe a lot of those IPs are fake or just useless, but then again, some protection is better than none. An antivirus program isn't 100% effective, but it's still useful and most would recommend its use. I would say the same thing is true of peer guardian.
let's take it farther
let's say pg is a condom with a tiny hole in it. even the biggest pg fanboy is willing to admit it isn't 100% perfect. does a condom with only one hole protect you better than a condom with 2 holes in it?
of course not, lousy protection is lousy protection, the matter of degrees is irrelevant | |
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Ausds
@net.au
| Looks folks, if you're unsatisfied with what PeerGuardian 2 brings, then don't install it.
But all these excuses about placebo (and so on), means nothing.
A better argument to make is to download the source code and examine it.
If you have enough brain capacity, then you can prove (undisputable) that application is ineffective.
So far, NONE of you doubters have done that. All we've got is your opinions...Which means NOTHING in the real world as they aren't backed with any information.
This is no different if I said I developed a Playstation 2 emulator on the PC. I got it fully working without any performance hits.
No one would believe me until I released the source code, and see what I've done to resolve the performance issues of current attempts for PS2 emulators on the PC.
For this PeerGuardian case, saying something bad about an application, and not being able to prove or demonstrate it just goes to show their full of it.
ie : Nothing but opinion...
*sarcasm*
That's really gonna move me not to use PeerGuardian, isn't it?
*sarcasm*
Where PG2 doesn't work well, is with BitTorrent. This is because of the way its implemented (and if you numbskulls bothered to read the source code, then you would know)...
But most of you are simply too mentalily incapable of reading C/C++ code, as its easier to bullshit without backing up your opinion, than it is to look and pick at what's wrong. (You folks should seek future employment at CNN or Fox News...Better yet, on one of those lame-ass try-hard computer/tech magazine/site).
This is why SafePeer plug-in exists for Azureus.
But of course, NONE of you twits knew that. If you
did, then the thread would shift into a different tone.
My overall point.
If you're going to argue something sucks, back it up with proof.
If you just gonna blab some BS opinion without any facts to prove your point, then I'm gonna ignore you (And so will many, many others)...Just like I ignore Microsoft's BS when it comes to ANY of their public statements.
I agree with erthwjim on his point.
Everyone pays for Windows (those included with system adds $100 to total system cost), and yet they actually install more crap (more often, pay for it) to protect themselves.
You install Zone Alarm, AVG, Kerio Personal Firewall, Sygate Personal Firewall, etc.
All are closed source products...And yet, PG2 is open-source, allowing you to see the code and everything.
So what you twits are saying is that you would trust a company that could easily screw you all over, than you would with your own "download and C/C++ code reading" skills?
The open-source project has more to lose than a closed-source one...And yet, people trust the closed source one! Even though the open one allows you to see exactly what the app can and cannot do! Bravo. | |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
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1 edit | Re: Peer Guardian said by Ausds :
A better argument to make is to download the source code and examine it.
If you have enough brain capacity, then you can prove (undisputable) that application is ineffective.
So far, NONE of you doubters have done that. All we've got is your opinions...Which means NOTHING in the real world as they aren't backed with any information.
This is why SafePeer plug-in exists for Azureus.
But of course, NONE of you twits knew that. If you
did, then the thread would shift into a different tone.
My overall point.
If you're going to argue something sucks, back it up with proof. um...why would any of us need to look at the source code to know it sucks? Obviously you yourself have not looked at it.
All peerguardian is, is a connection monitor/terminator. It sits and watches your network stack for specific IP addresses which it gets from a text file and if one of the listed IP addresses is found the connection is terminated and you get the pretty little message of so and so being blocked which in turns makes a uninformed user (such as yourself) feel safe. There is no need to look at the source code, because the source code contains nothing of value. The whole program is just one big IP blocklist (which if you really want to use their BS blocklist most firewalls support importing)
You can achieve this exact same functionality with ANY firewall on the market you do know that correct?
We aren't arguing that Peerguardian does a bad job of terminating the connections...it does fine.
What we are arguing is the fact that peerguardians blocklist is utter BS. It contains TONS of IP ranges that have NOTHING to do with media companies, etc. In fact for awhile it blocked the Chicago Bears website.
So I suggest before you go blatantly defending a product, you do some of your own research and don't bring up idiotic things like "OMG YOU GUYS DIDN'T LOOK AT THE SOURCE CODE YOUR ALL NOOBS!!!ONE111!!!!!"
Now on to proving it sucks. Do me a favor, prove to me it DOESN'T.
Explain to me why for the longest time it's block list contained sites like chicagobears.com, NFL.com, QVC.com...I could go on and on. Explain to me why it blocks what appear to be completely innocuous sets of IP ranges. Explain to me why it blocks alot of .gov ranges when the gov has nothing to do with any of the current piracy crap going on. Explain to me why it blocks NASA
Until you can explain to me where EVERY entry on the ridiculously long blocklist came from then I suggest not defend it since you obviously don't know why those ranges are blocked either.
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Now on to proving it sucks. Do me a favor, prove to me it DOESN'T.
Explain to me why for the longest time it's block list contained sites like chicagobears.com, NFL.com, QVC.com...I could go on and on. Explain to me why it blocks what appear to be completely innocuous sets of IP ranges. Explain to me why it blocks alot of .gov ranges when the gov has nothing to do with any of the current piracy crap going on. Explain to me why it blocks NASA
Until you can explain to me where EVERY entry on the ridiculously long blocklist came from then I suggest not defend it since you obviously don't know why those ranges are blocked either.,
This is because ur an utter nonsense n00b that downloaded the Blocklist that blocks "ALL" including government websites!
READ what you DOWNLOAD before questioning why This is doing this and that is doing that! | |
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