entertheslot
join:2005-07-03
San Anselmo, CA
| fried processor? My processor overheated to 90 degrees Celsius. i waited a while and turned it on again when it overheated almost instantly. It was overheating because the cpu heatsink retention divide had broken and become dislodged from the motherboard. I replaced it after about three days. Now when i turn it on it gets stuck on the P4 logo screen and does nothing. I talked to the company and they say it is not reading my keyboard but i do not think that is the problem. i think the processor may be fried but wanted a second opinion before i dish out 200 dolars. I would appretiate any insight you could provide. | |
|
 
TheGiant
Next Year Is Here.
join:2001-03-28
Augusta, GA | Re: fried processor? can you get into Bios? Can you boot from Floppy? | |
|
MrClean132
Sassy 'Medic
Premium
join:2000-08-28
Toronto, On | Is there someone elses computer that you can try this processor in
? | |
|
entertheslot
join:2005-07-03
San Anselmo, CA
| i cannot enter the bios it freezes at that screen and it will only respond to the off switch. I cannot try it on another computer. i opened it up and took out the processor to look to see if i could see any physical damage and the heat spreader fell off. | |
|
kw
Premium
join:2004-06-12 | Sounds to me like you cooked it. | |
|
CylonRed
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | What model P4 is this? It is rare the P4's fry but they can.... | |
|
 |
kw
Premium
join:2004-06-12
| Re: fried processor? said by CylonRed  :What model P4 is this? It is rare the P4's fry but they can.... Oh snap...I forgot about the "feature" on them. Maybe you seated the HSF thing wrong on it. It could be downclocking the shit out of it, making it appear frozen. | |
|
entertheslot
join:2005-07-03
San Anselmo, CA | its a pentium 4 430 pin processor. i do not think it is seated wrong because it will only fit in one way thanks though. | |
|
| 
Anonymous_
Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
clubs: | Re: fried processor? 430pin?
is it a 425pin or an 478pin? | |
|
| | |
| | | entertheslot
join:2005-07-03
San Anselmo, CA | Re: fried processor? is there any way i can force it to run at a higher speed because i have fixed the heatsink so it should not overheat. | |
|
| | | | 
IllIlIlllIll
EliteData
Premium
join:2003-07-06
Lindenhurst, NY
| Re: fried processor? well first, are you able to move the heatsink easily or does it seem firmly placed.
is it clean ?
does the fan operate well ?
if the heatsink was seperated from the chip, you may need to clean the contacts of the heatsink and chip and regrease them with fresh thermal grease, there may as well be air pockets and dust contamination between the heatsink and processor if it seperated, especially if its never been seperated for a few years, the grease may have solidified thus not providing proper heat transfer.
--
S.C.P.D. Live Scanner Feed
N.C.P.D. Live Scanner Feed | |
|
| | entertheslot
join:2005-07-03
San Anselmo, CA | yea sorry it is a 478 | |
|
|
|
IllIlIlllIll
EliteData
Premium
join:2003-07-06
Lindenhurst, NY
| Re: fried processor? well one way i used to discover if the cpu was shorted, i would keep the heatsink off and place my fingers on the chip, turn the pc on and with my other hand ready to pull the power plug quickly, if the chip would get red hot burning enough to burn your fingers in less than a second, it is no good, if it got moderately hot in a few seconds, like 2-3 seconds, it was okay.
a shorted chip will draw massive amounts of current heating it up very hot quickly while a normal one wont heat up so quick.
the problem is some power supplies dont have a well built type of short protection built in it allowing more than necessary current to flow to the cpu if the cpu is shorted, there is a regulator on the mobo that will be the first to open up from not being able to handle the current draw, rendering the mobo useless.
this is why testing a suspected bad cpu on another mobo will sometimes damage that mobo.
this is especially true with older AMD cpu's
--
S.C.P.D. Live Scanner Feed
N.C.P.D. Live Scanner Feed | |
|
entertheslot
join:2005-07-03
San Anselmo, CA | well it is not the processor i bought a new one ad it still has the same problem. Could the motherboard or memory been damaged? | |
|
|
entertheslot
join:2005-07-03
San Anselmo, CA
| I have tried multiple keyboards that is what the mobo company said to do then they ran out of ideas. I have a abit ic7 max3 mobo a pentium 4 3ghz processor 1 gb dual channel ddr 3200. x connect 400 watt power supply, a geforce fx 5900 256 mb memory, a sound blaster audigy sound card, a maxtor 80 gb eide hard drive and 2 cd rom drives. It has one short beep when it boots up as it should the it hangs. I kind of think it is the motherboard now because a properly working motherboard displays the problem usually if it can display anything such as memory error or keyboard error or something like that. thank you for any help you can give me | |
|
| Kiwi
Premium
join:2003-05-26
USA
 ·Comcast
 ·Aristotle Internet
| Re: fried processor? said by entertheslot :It has one short beep when it boots up as it should the it hangs. One short beep, DRAM refresh failure (Problem with memory)
The single short beep has pinned your problem, hope that helps. It's one of your memory sticks.
Cheers
--
2.66g/533fsb Intel CPU @ 3.48g512meg Twinmos PC3700~466 DDR @ 2.8v -PCpower&Cooling 512.ATI 9500 Pro @ 9700 Pro @1.6v
AMD ASUS A7N8X-E ~2500+ @3200 ATI 9500 Pro, Corsair 512LL. | |
|
3SGTE
ST215W
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-23
there
clubs: | Have you tried clearing the CMOS (resetting bios to defaults)? | |
|
entertheslot
join:2005-07-03
San Anselmo, CA | ye i have reset the cmos thans though | |
|
NetDroid2
join:2004-08-16
Excelsior, MN
1 edit | Here are some ideas....
If you take out the processor does the computer beep like crazy when you turn it on?
How about if you do the same thing to the RAM?
This is way out there but do you have any bad caps on the motherboard? | |
|
entertheslot
join:2005-07-03
San Anselmo, CA | my computer has always had one short beep as does my new computer when i turn it on. in the manual it says it should have one short beep. if i were to take out the cpu and turn it on couldn't that ruin the board. | |
|
| Kiwi
Premium
join:2003-05-26
USA
·Comcast
·Aristotle Internet
| Re: fried processor? said by entertheslot :my computer has always had one short beep as does my new computer when i turn it on. in the manual it says it should have one short beep. if i were to take out the cpu and turn it on couldn't that ruin the board. I'm relaying the what the post code means, It's not a CPU issue, rather whatever DDR you have, as posted above, try taking one of the DDR chips out, if the same happens again, then try the other, make sure you place the single chip , as your test in the right bank. On a side note you didn't mention OC, are you overclocking? you might need to change the timings and as a safe point, use default settings.
Any beep code, is a bad sign! 
Cheers
--
2.66g/533fsb Intel CPU @ 3.48g512meg Twinmos PC3700~466 DDR @ 2.8v -PCpower&Cooling 512.ATI 9500 Pro @ 9700 Pro @1.6v
AMD ASUS A7N8X-E ~2500+ @3200 ATI 9500 Pro, Corsair 512LL. | |
|
|
| Kiwi
Premium
join:2003-05-26
USA
·Comcast
·Aristotle Internet
| Re: fried processor? said by Subaru :on most Mobo's if you take out the Cpu the system does not turn on period. On all mobo's if the CPU is removed -It won't "turn on".
--
2.66g/533fsb Intel CPU @ 3.48g512meg Twinmos PC3700~466 DDR @ 2.8v -PCpower&Cooling 512. May, 2003*ATI 9500 Pro @ 9700 Pro @1.6v
AMD ASUS A7N8X-E ~2500+ @3200 ATI 9500 Pro, Corsair 512LL. | |
|
|
Kiwi
Premium
join:2003-05-26
USA |  | |
|
| EvoL4
join:2003-04-11
Concord, CA
1 edit | Re: fried processor? Did you make sure to hook up the additional Power Supply 4 prong clip that connects nearest the CPU?
I have heard of this happening when the cpu is not getting enough juice.
Also make sure if you are using an aftermarket Heatsink Fan that it is clear of any and ALL capasitors around the cpu socket. A lot of times the mobo's are only tested against OEM HS/F's and the aftermarkets HS/F makers only test their product on the most popular mobo's out there. On occassion, it has been know to happen, the heatsink touches a cap causing a short or even breaks one lose from its seat to make room.
Just my $0.02.
Good Luck, | |
|
| | |
entertheslot
join:2005-07-03
San Anselmo, CA
| I tried it with only one memory stick and it did the same thing. i also tested the power supply with a power supply tester and it read normal and the heatsink is clear of any capacitors. I can test the memory in another computer or i could test different memory in this computer but i do not want a bad mobo to damage memory of bad memory to damage a good mobo. are either of these entirely safe to do? in my opinion i think it is the motherboard does anyone else agree? thank you for all the help you guys have given me and i would appreciate any more help you are willing to give. | |
|
driftus
join:2000-04-30
Indianapolis, IN
clubs:
| Sometimes what helps here is to take a step back.
First, since you're almost at this point anyways, go ahead and take everything off the motherboard. Cards, memory, drive cables, processor, the whole shebang. Why? This is rule-out time. Plus, dinking around inside with the processor and retention clip, you could've either left something loose or half-seated, or broken something.
Up to you, but I'd take the mobo out of the case, find some nice static-free environment (if you saved the bag the mobo came in, great) to set it on, and get a bright light or bright flashlight and examine the mobo carefully for signs of damage, loose component, broken socket, etcetera.
Don't be in a big hurry, and start by reinstalling the basics - processor, memory, video, hard drive. Make sure everything is well seated. I mention this, because I spent 2 days once trying to figure out what I'd done wrong, then realized I had not seated one stick of memory all the way after I had remounted the HSF in a hurry.
Important point - just make sure you didn't inadvertantly create another issue trying to fix the first one. Removing and reseating components has helped me in the past, even when I was CERTAIN everything was inserted/seated correctly.
--
"Be who you is - 'cause if you ain't who you is, you is who you ain't" | |
|
Kiwi
Premium
join:2003-05-26
USA
·Comcast
·Aristotle Internet
| dritus - Now at this point offers a very good and concrete solution, to trouble shooting your issue. If you don't feel entirely comfortable removing everything, out of the case, try taking all components out first, that don't affect function -CD ROMS, slave drives. Leave the video card in, CPU and one DDR stick & the Master drive, then check they are really seated correctly. I would also remove the CPU and clean any Arctic off and reseat and take your time.
DDR won't fry your mobo, you could fry a DDR chip though. After the above, then try to enter & you check the BIOS settings related to your DDR and heat spreaders on DDR are sometimes removed by users anyway. If you got into CMOS, then you are in the BIOS.
Going for broke It could simply be a bad hard drive or a bad cable from the mobo to your hard drive.
~ Still curious though, is any of the keyboards lighting up, when you turn the system on? That needs an answer, not yet given If they did not -Then, that alone will require a new mobo. DDR code beeps mean nothing if the system won't see a keyboard to begin with
If you have tried other compatible DDR for your system -Heck, what brand of DDR are you using? That falls back to the "One short beep, DRAM refresh failure (Problem with memory)" question -irrelevant if the keyboard won't light up though.
Still trying to help.
Cheers
--
2.66g/533fsb Intel CPU @ 3.48g512meg Twinmos PC3700~466 DDR @ 2.8v -PCpower&Cooling 512. May, 2003*ATI 9500 Pro @ 9700 Pro @1.6v
AMD ASUS A7N8X-E ~2500+ @3200 ATI 9500 Pro, Corsair 512LL. | |
|
|
|
|
·