poor boy
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Dont feed the trolls! The guy was idiotic and should be caught, Try this analogy, just because you left money open on top of a dresser doesnt mean someone else has the right to walk into your room and steal it |
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | In fact here in California, the Penal Code requires you to leave it or attempt to find the owner. |
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SoilFlames
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| Owners forfeit their rights to a secure ap by not reading the instruction manual of the ap/router. Because they all explain in detail on how to prevent unauthorized access to your equipment. Just because someone is to ignorant to read the instructions that come with the products they buy should not be left at the fault of an innocent bystanders connection to their "open" "unrestricted" ap/router. Because that's what they are labeled as. Yes there is free wi-fi in many places. If it is open and unrestricted you should have the consent to access it. Similar to the internet. Take an example. You have a server set-up on the internet and leave it on without a firewall/nat or any sort of protection. Should an internet user who browses to the ip address of your server be punished by law for accessing your server that is open to the public? Nonsense. It is the same concept. You can try to mask the ignorance of technology illiterate people all you want but anyone who understands the technology cannot deny that it is injustice to prosecute someone for making a connection to an unrestricted and open ap/router. |
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oliphant
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Corona, CA
| I'm sorry...where does this forfeiture of personal property rights occur? Leaving the door unlocked doesn't waive your personal property rights.
So if I'm walking down the street and a gate is open they've forfeited their right to keep me out of their pool?
Uh, no. Just because the door is unlocked doesn't give you permission to enter. |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| If you place a sign outside your pool, saying 'open to the public' you HAVE forfeited your right to keep the public out.
If you broadcast an access point to the street, with no password/WEP/encryption, you HAVE forfeited your rights to keep others out.
To put it another way. If you have a pool in your yard, and have no fence around it, and a neighborhood child goes in and drowns, YOU the homeowner are responsible. If you have a locked fence, and someone climbed over it and drowns, you are NOT responsible. That's a WELL defined and documented case law. You have a responsibility to provide reasonable security of the devices on your property.
That's exactly the same as an access point. Of course, the problem is the manufacturers of the access point aren't securing it by default. But they have to do that since there are too many stupid people who don't understand what they have purchased, and misuse the technology.
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oliphant
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July 4th, @04:53PM
| Leaving the gate to a pool unlocked doesn't make it a public pool. It doesn't mean the child should have been there. But I would agree with one thing...wardrivers who would connect to these unsecured APs need more parental supervision since they can't seem to tell right from wrong. And before you try and call it an accident...a wardriver connecting to linksys, default or netgear knows EXACTLY what they're connecting to. They simply lack the morals and respect for others' private property not to do so. |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| hmm.. we aren't talking about the morals, we are talking about the LEGAL issues. There's a difference you know. Don't whine about the moral issue that YOU have when the LAW states differently. YOUR morals do NOT have any legal basis in the eyes of the courts, so don't think you have any legal basis to preach.
Legally, a wardriver cannot not be prosecuted, based on previous case law, like the swimming pool. There is NO LAW against using an unsecured access point. Period. It's not hacking a computer, it's using an unsecured resource. If the owner of the access point failed to take reasonable precautions, then he has no legal basis to complain if someone takes advantage of it. So if you don't like it, complain to your congressman, and have them make a law, but until then, you can only sound like a broken record who truly doesn't 'get it'.
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