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Re: Deserved arrest
As the other poster said, that does NOT apply to unsecured wireless networks. If you never touch their computers on the LAN side of the wireless network, that law wouldn't even apply. Quit your grasping at straws.
Using YOUR logic, if you picked up a classmate's pocket calculator off their desk to use it to solve a problem without asking them, then they've just committed a third degree felony. After all, wouldn't that be "unauthorized access to a computer?" It's judges and people like you that love to over-interpet the laws that are making this country such an unbearable place to live. I'm sure you were all for the Supreme Court's decision to privatize the eminent domain clause as well. |
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TK Junk Mail
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| said by LinuxJunkie  :Using YOUR logic, if you picked up a classmate's pocket calculator off their desk to use it to solve a problem without asking them, then they've just committed a third degree felony. After all, wouldn't that be "unauthorized access to a computer?" It's judges and people like you that love to over-interpet the laws that are making this country such an unbearable place to live. I'm sure you were all for the Supreme Court's decision to privatize the eminent domain clause as well. You would be a thief taking the calculator without asking(taking someones property - nothing to do with computers). And no, I didn't support the eminent domain ruling by SC:
This from 10 months ago:
»Re: [POLL]Should there be limits on Eminent Domain
And this from 2 weeks ago:
»Re: Supreme Court of the US Strikes.....
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oliphant
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said by LinuxJunkie :As the other poster said, that does NOT apply to unsecured wireless networks. If you never touch their computers on the LAN side of the wireless network, that law wouldn't even apply. Quit your grasping at straws. Using YOUR logic, if you picked up a classmate's pocket calculator off their desk to use it to solve a problem without asking them, then they've just committed a third degree felony. After all, wouldn't that be "unauthorized access to a computer?" It's judges and people like you that love to over-interpet the laws that are making this country such an unbearable place to live. I'm sure you were all for the Supreme Court's decision to privatize the eminent domain clause as well. Yeah...although a foreign concept to you...you shouldn't take/use other people's crap without asking them. It's people like you that are the reason we have to lock our doors and encrypt our APs. You think everything is yours to use. |
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| i think you misunderstood DebianDude. i dont think it said it's "right" or "not stealing" to take the calculator..... i think he was pointing out that by the logic you presented that taking the calculator would be a 3rd degree felony..... which it would. calculators are computers in the same manner that an AP is. |
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oliphant
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July 4th, @06:04PM
| What if it's a $1000 calculator? The fact that you returned it doesn't negate the fact that you didn't have a right to touch it.
So you're cool if people 'borrow' your car without your knowledge or permission so long as they bring it back? |
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iamsomeone
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| wow from most of your comments you seem intelligent but here maybe you neglected to read what you replied to..... i said the right or wrong of taking the calculator was NOT in dispute. taking the calculator is wrong, taking the calculator is stealing. taking the calculator is NOT a third degree felony but the calculator IS a computer (in the same way that an AP is... even more so if it's a nice one like a TI-89) so by the definition that accessing a computer(if an AP falls under the definition of a computer) is a third degree felony then taking the calculator would be a third degree felony.
no, the fact that the calculator was returned does NOT negate the fact that the other person did not have a right to touch it.
no, i'm not cool if people 'borrow my car without my knowledge or permission so long as they bring it back.
(and FYI also no, i do not condone wardriving to use open WIFIs. but whether something is right or wrong does not always mean it is or should be legal/illegal -- or, more relevantly, whether it is or should be interpreted as legal/illegal when there is no legislation pertaining specifically to the actions in question) |
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said by oliphant :What if it's a $1000 calculator? The fact that you returned it doesn't negate the fact that you didn't have a right to touch it. So you're cool if people 'borrow' your car without your knowledge or permission so long as they bring it back? So by your meanings if you found an ipod in the street and no one was around to lay claim you would leave it there and keep walking?
If so Now I have an idea why you are so against this. You lost an ipod and couldn't find it.
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | If I don't see an obvious owner yeah. It's not mine. It could have fallen out of the pocket of someone just a minute before and they're on their way back for it. I don't follow the principle (or lack thereof) of finders keepers, losers weepers. |
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