 redxiiPremium,Mod
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Re: MS Downgrades Claria Detections Exactly! So why haven't we boycotted Google then?!?! It's the default search engine for Firefox. Talk about hypocrisy. |
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 mers2Premium,MVM
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1 edit | said by redxii:Exactly! So why haven't we boycotted Google then?!?! It's the default search engine for Firefox. Talk about hypocrisy. As far as I know Google hasn't resorted to "drive by" downloads like Claria to get tracking software on people's computers. Google doesn't continually place pop ups on your desktop, nor does it do the extensive individual tracking that Claria does. You're kind of reaching there.
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 antiseriousThe Future ain't what it used to bePremium
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said by redxii:Exactly! So why haven't we boycotted Google then?!?! It's the default search engine for Firefox. Talk about hypocrisy.
... has Google ever been identified as spyware by any product, as Gator has? ... I know of no instance where Google tried to install anything on a user's computer without their consent ...
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said by redxii:Exactly! So why haven't we boycotted Google then?!?! It's the default search engine for Firefox. Talk about hypocrisy. Let's not forget that Google ads only appear on either Goggles property or property that has given Google explicit rights to display Google ads.If you're going to boycott Google because of Google ads why not also boycott the properties that have partnered with Google to display Google ads, this site included? There is no fair comparison between Google ads & Claria at this point in time. |
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1 edit | said by Snowy:at this point in time. At this point in time we're also quick to assume that MS is embedding spyware into Windows, when it looks like they want to compete with Google with their MSN search. People will still pound on Microsoft for their search engine for collecting information using patents obtained through this Claria purchase (even if it stays on their site) yet they won't pound on other search engines for collecting information.
I guess i'm just pointing out this broad inconsistency with human behavior. Since NYT is such an honored source:
"Ballmer, according to the person briefed on the talks, has been pushing Yusuf Mehdi, the senior vice president in charge of MSN and Microsoft's search business, to be more aggressive to try to catch up with Google, with acquisitions as one possibility. Ballmer, this person said, gave approval to begin talks with Claria two weeks ago."
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kudos:8 | said by redxii:I guess i'm just pointing out this broad inconsistency with human behavior. Since NYT is such an honored source: "Ballmer, according to the person briefed on the talks, has been pushing Yusuf Mehdi, the senior vice president in charge of MSN and Microsoft's search business, to be more aggressive to try to catch up with Google, with acquisitions as one possibility. Ballmer, this person said, gave approval to begin talks with Claria two weeks ago." If it were just competition with no unethical behavior involved I'd be all for it. You seem to be missing the point - Claria is a known malware company known for drive by downloads on unsuspecting users, collecting detailed information on individual users, forcing intrusive ads of users all while using software that degrades or damages the users computer. Google has done none of these. The disappointment and anger in this thread comes from the fact that Microsoft is apparently negotiating a deal with the very company that has caused damage to their users. Not to mention the fact that MS is touting it's anti-spyware while doing negotiations with a spyware company and lowering it's detections in th process. There is the hypocrisy. The problem with the MS bashing crowd being so vocal is that when there is a genuine problem those that have spent a lot of time defending it can't see when real problems emerge.
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said by redxii:At this point in time we're also quick to assume that MS is embedding spyware into Windows, when it looks like they want to compete with Google with their MSN search. re these 2 different points of view, one opinion doesn't have to be wrong to prove the other correct. I believe both of these opinions will prove out to be true in some form or another.
said by redxii:I guess i'm just pointing out this broad inconsistency with human behavior. Actually I think you are pointing out the consistencies of human behavior... |
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 John2gQui Tacet ConsentitPremium
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said by mers2: Not to mention the fact that MS is touting it's anti-spyware while doing negotiations with a spyware company and lowering it's detections in the process. Talk about non sequitors. Did you read this, posted by Eric earlier?
"Sunbelt is now reporting that the Claria detections appear to have been "downgraded" as far back as March 31."
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kudos:8 | said by John2g:said by mers2: Not to mention the fact that MS is touting it's anti-spyware while doing negotiations with a spyware company and lowering it's detections in the process. Talk about non sequitors. Did you read this, posted by Eric earlier? "Sunbelt is now reporting that the Claria detections appear to have been "downgraded" as far back as March 31." Yes, but it is unknown how long MS has been in negotiations with Claria. Also, I've been vocal about other anti-spyware vendors lowering or removing definitions without a proven change of behavior. MS was wrong in either event.
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