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Re: MS Downgrades Claria Detections
said by jbob  :Just remember that Spybot S & D does include a couple of detections that are turned "off" by default. CDilla, New.net and Sidestep maybe. At least it allows you to select detection or not. MSAS has little options for the detection phase. How does Sunbelts software work at the detection level? Can you select and option like delete or quarentine? Ultimately it would be nice to allow the user full control over detection levels. Oh and of course "Full Disclosure" of what it detects or doesn't detect anymore. Counterspy at present gives you the choice only after the detection is made. Similar to MSAS.
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Just remember that Spybot S & D does include a couple of detections that are turned "off" by default. CDilla, New.net and Sidestep maybe. At least it allows you to select detection or not. MSAS has little options for the detection phase. How does Sunbelts software work at the detection level? Can you select and option like delete or quarentine?
Ultimately it would be nice to allow the user full control over detection levels.
Oh and of course "Full Disclosure" of what it detects or doesn't detect anymore. |
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said by B :Either that, or the "I know it when I see it" Bayesian antispyware ruleset I keep daydreaming about. -- B The person who can design this will have the gratitude of the entire security community - as well as make a fortune if they chose to. I think a Bayesian antispyware ruleset might be able to dodge the lawyers as well.
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Oh this is not going to be pretty.
It looks like St. Kolla is the last man standing.
We really need a community antispyware effort that is NOT accountable, so that WhenU and Claria and the rest of the vermin can be permanently marked "evil" without worry. None of these for-profit concerns have the balls, and I can't say I blame them.
Either that, or the "I know it when I see it" Bayesian antispyware ruleset I keep daydreaming about.
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Considering the trust users have in Sunbelt, the promises of it's President and those who consult for them, I will admit I am extremely disappointed in this. Sunbelt was pretty much the last hold out. But at least they released a public announcement and a white paper giving their reasons at the same time. More then the others have done thus far.
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said by mers2 :said by Chris 313 :said by mers2 :said by Chris 313 :Hearing this news makes me glad I can't use MSAS and instead am using Counter Spy. Even though MSAS is free, I still like the better detection CS gives me, even if I got to pay yearly for it. Counterspy is everything MSAS should have been. I only HOPE that CS doesn't weaken because of a Spyware company offering money, or a spyware company buyout like MS is probably doing. Considering the people who run Sunbelt software and those who consult for them (including our own Eric Howes) I'd say that possibility is slim to none. Looks like that "slim to none" possibility has just come to pass.
»Sunbelt Adjusts WhenU Detections
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said by redxii :said by Chris 313 :I only HOPE that CS doesn't weaken because of a Spyware company offering money, or a spyware company buyout like MS is probably doing. EDIT: I see where you're going. At least they didn't silently remove Claria detections This is true and they are definitely above Lavasoft on that count. But you have Microsoft, a trusted entity, telling it's users that Claria/Gator is not a threat. Most of those users are uninformed and will allow it to stay on their machines because MS says it's ok. All because MS is in a potential business deal with a known malware company.
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said by redxii :said by Chris 313 :I only HOPE that CS doesn't weaken because of a Spyware company offering money, or a spyware company buyout like MS is probably doing. EDIT: I see where you're going. At least they didn't silently remove Claria detections :) They didn't remove Claria detection, they "downgraded" it.
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said by Chris 313 :I only HOPE that CS doesn't weaken because of a Spyware company offering money, or a spyware company buyout like MS is probably doing. EDIT: I see where you're going.
At least they didn't silently remove Claria detections--
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said by Chris 313 :said by mers2 :said by Chris 313 :Hearing this news makes me glad I can't use MSAS and instead am using Counter Spy. Even though MSAS is free, I still like the better detection CS gives me, even if I got to pay yearly for it. Counterspy is everything MSAS should have been. I only HOPE that CS doesn't weaken because of a Spyware company offering money, or a spyware company buyout like MS is probably doing. Considering the people who run Sunbelt software and those who consult for them (including our own Eric Howes) I'd say that possibility is slim to none.
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said by mers2 :said by Chris 313 :Hearing this news makes me glad I can't use MSAS and instead am using Counter Spy. Even though MSAS is free, I still like the better detection CS gives me, even if I got to pay yearly for it. Counterspy is everything MSAS should have been. I only HOPE that CS doesn't weaken because of a Spyware company offering money, or a spyware company buyout like MS is probably doing. |
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said by Chris 313 :Hearing this news makes me glad I can't use MSAS and instead am using Counter Spy. Even though MSAS is free, I still like the better detection CS gives me, even if I got to pay yearly for it. Counterspy is everything MSAS should have been.
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said by Mele20 :This is sad news. I don't think MS will back off. I suggest everyone using MSAS strongly consider getting rid of it and using CounterSpy instead. It is very reasonably priced and PCWorld August 2005 edition says the new beta engine is their product of choice for antispyware applications. Plus, CounterSpy says this of Claria: Advice: Remove This is a very high risk threat and should be removed immediately as to prevent harm to your computer or your privacy. » research.sunbelt-software.com/th···h=Claria Hearing this news makes me glad I can't use MSAS and instead am using Counter Spy. Even though MSAS is free, I still like the better detection CS gives me, even if I got to pay yearly for it. |
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This is sad news. I don't think MS will back off. I suggest everyone using MSAS strongly consider getting rid of it and using CounterSpy instead. It is very reasonably priced and PCWorld August 2005 edition says the new beta engine is their product of choice for antispyware applications.
Plus, CounterSpy says this of Claria:
Advice: Remove This is a very high risk threat and should be removed immediately as to prevent harm to your computer or your privacy.
»research.sunbelt-software.com/th···h=Claria
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