Jason Levine
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Re: Well...
Actually, I've been on the Internet since about 1993. I was there before the first Mozilla browser was released when Gopher was the hottest thing around. I've seen quite a lot of the development of things online. Spam was minimal back then because simply there were very few people online then. As the Internet became more popular and more and more people went online, the spammers found they could make money sending more and more spam e-mails. This has nothing to do with IE, however.
VBScript doesn't let you find out a person's e-mail address. Spammers find that out by various methods (e.g. spiders that cruise the web in search of e-mail addresses or generating possible e-mail addresses by using common names and service providers). None of these methods involves VBScript, JavaScript, or cookies. Bill Gates isn't to blame for the current level of spam. Spammers and the people who purchase from spam are to blame.
Internet Explorer has it's share of problems (some might say more than it's share). For the longest time, it's ActiveX default settings left users vulnerable to spyware infections. It's CSS support is ancient by Internet standards. It doesn't support recent innovations such as tabbed browsing natively. But spam e-mails aren't something that you can pin on Internet Explorer.
Oh, and just a question. What do you mean by the following statement?
said by linicx  :And the same experts warned about rewriting IE in VBS citing the ease of finding and/or writing poison scripts and other potential problems it would cause.. Is it just your phrasing or are you actually suggesting that Internet Explorer is itself written in VBScript? If it's the latter then you're sadly mistaken.
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linicx
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X???? Well, let's see.,, Hmmm, There was an internet long before Active X. Heck there was even an Internet and good software before Microsoft. Then SPAM was minimal -- maybe one piece per every six months, and developers actually wrote clean code. When IE was released it was purely awful and it had a lot of competition from browsers that didn't crash every keystroke. The second and third releases weren't any better and Netscape steadily gained in popularity.
About that time I got really interested in Unix and security, and paid little attention to MS until the security experts started talking about the problems VBS was going to cause if it was released in the same form as the Beta, and it did. And the same experts warned about rewriting IE in VBS citing the ease of finding and/or writing poison scripts and other potential problems it would cause.. And it came to pass the experts were right just as they were with the release of XP.
Now before we start the trolling let me say one more thing - just to clarify my position. I don't' like MS operating systems. I didn't like MS DOS, I didn't like the first version of Windows, and I don't like the current version, Maybe Longhorn will be better, I hope so. I built PCs for a number of years because I always hoped Bill Gates would get a clue. He didn't because he didn't want one. He still doesn't, but the difference is today he can do it from behind the doors of his $30b empire. He became a millionaire while he sold snake oil. And I finally had enough micro-managing of Windows to last a life time. I reached a point where it was taking more hours per day to keep Windows running properly than it did to take care of a two year old. I haven't owned a PC for a couple of years. Last year I gave a PC nut five complete, running PCs - the smallest of which was a nine bay, six drive, tower.
We can throw sand at each other all you like but the facts won't change. Bill gates was warned about the spam and viruses and he released the re-written IE anyway. And we, his adoring public got exactly what we were promised.
Go find someone who was on the internet before ICANN. and when the original U of I Mozilla browser was popular, and ask what the time line was. |
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gh4456
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Apparently he had one good idea that any of us wouldn't have mind having (regardless if it was original or not)
I wouldn't mind the $30 billion +
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Frankely Scarlet
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Does this about say it? |
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Jason Levine
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How does rewriting IE open users to spam? To spyware, perhaps (via ActiveX installers), but spam? |
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linicx
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I'm with you, I'll wait and see. Most of Gates ideas that were called dumb by experts were catastrophic by proportion. Rewriting IE is one example. It opened users to a 10K percent increase in SPAM, in the last say 7-8 years. |
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