pianotech
Pianotech
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Re: WRONG
Wow, this is the money you get per-song via iTunes? That's actually very good. Do they have a blanket policy of selling anyone hooked in to CDBaby? Does CDBaby take any of that?
Yep, that's the take from iTunes, which I agree is quite good. CDBaby takes 9% of my take, and the $.65 is what I get after iTunes and CDBaby get their share. Not a bad deal at all, all things considered. I'd rather they do it without DRM though.
And yes, anyone who has a CD with CDBaby will be on all the major sites (Rhapsody, iTunes, Napster, MusicNet, MusicMatch, etc) as long as they've signed the non-exclusive digital distribution deal with them.
Have you ever been to »www.mp3tunes.com? They sell the entire CDBaby catalog in open mp3 format, and it's in VBR mp3's. Very good quality, no drm! Magnatune is good too ( »www.magnatune.com ) if you haven't tried it out yet. No major label stuff there though...
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BonezX
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but remember, after the IP owner dies it gets transfered(or is allready owned) by the record company, so even after the artist is long dead somebody other then the artists family is making money off it. |
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fundamentalz
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said by Anonymous  :Why don't you STFU? If you got a problem with piracy go somewhere else and bitch. Anonymous Not taking a side here, but what kind of forum would this be if all we ever got was one side of an issue. Disagree with him or not, everyone should get a chance to voice their thoughts on a topic without being slammed for it
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Uhawl
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| said by fundamentalz :said by Anonymous :Why don't you STFU? If you got a problem with piracy go somewhere else and bitch. Anonymous Not taking a side here, but what kind of forum would this be if all we ever got was one side of an issue. Disagree with him or not, everyone should get a chance to voice their thoughts on a topic without being slammed for it Well said.
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guitarzan
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said by redhatnation :said by RadioDoc : iTunes is mediocre at best. Can you enlighten this iTunes user about why you think it is mediocre at best? Seriously. I'll try,Itunes uses whats called DRM. Digital Rights Management.Which determines and/or limits,Where and an what you may play your legally purchased music on.In other words
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RDins
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Don't cry like a baby when someone disagrees with you. I totally agree with what Steve said, its a great point. |
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Fatal Vector
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UMMM...The RIAA does not own the material, or "property". The record labels and artists do. The RIAA is only the association formed by these labels to represent them, particularly with the government. The RIAA is the lobbying arm of the industry. The Labels act through them so that they dont have to take the PR heat directly over their suing spree and tactics. That's what "Associations" are for. If the RIAA gets crapped upon in the public eye, the labels will disavow their actions, and then when the heat dies down, the RIAA will simply morph to another corporate name and carry on.
"As allways, if you are caught or killed, the secretary will disavow your actions. Good luck, Mr Phelps". |
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RadioDoc
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said by redhatnation :said by RadioDoc : iTunes is mediocre at best. Can you enlighten this iTunes user about why you think it is mediocre at best? Seriously. Sure. So far I've got less than a 50% "find" rate via iTunes (yes I am an iTunes user too) on click-through from Radio Paradise and a couple other major online Internet radio stations, not oddball obscure stuff nobody ever heard of. It seems that if it's not mass-appeal pop there is very little there. If they want to be viable in the long run they need to significantly widen the library.
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RadioDoc
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said by Steve :said by RadioDoc :Way to crap the thread there, Steve . Nowhere in that response was "pirate", "thief" or even "P2P" mentioned. So discussing piracy and greed in a thread about piracy and greed is off topic? No wonder you're not a moderator anymore Your love affair with Apple HUH? Just as expected you don't address the question--again--but instead attack the questioner. That's at least twice in this subthread alone now. You have no basis for your stand so you resort to even more off topic nonsense. Go back to Usenet.
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Steve
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| reply to Fatal Vector
said by Fatal Vector:
.The RIAA does not own the material, or "property". The record labels and artists do. They apparently have the legal right to go after violators on behalf of the artists/labels. I used the term inartfully, but the fact that it's agency relationship rather than an ownership one doesn't change the big picture that much.
In that respect the labels have done a good job: RIAA is Satan incarnate, while the labels don't take anywhere near the heat the should.
Nothing would please me more than to see the whole business model disappear, replaced with something more decentralized and more sensitive to actual market forces. It's hard to imagine a worse system than we have now.
Those who want to change the system to benefit the users and artists are doing everybody a service, but those who steal with no intention of every paying (under any business model) are not.
Steve
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Anonymous
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But there are few members that keep bitching about it. It gets old. |
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major marco
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That's A Good Knee Slapper
said by fundamentalz :what kind of forum would this be if all we ever got was one side of an issue. Exsqueeze me while I fall off my chair and try not to die of hysteria. Hahhahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahah hahahahaha hahahahaaahahah. Apparently you don't get around the site very often. --
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fundamentalz
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| said by major marco :Exsqueeze me while I fall off my chair and try not to die of hysteria. Hahhahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahah hahahahaha hahahahaaahahah. Apparently you don't get around the site very often. The thing is, i really do. I for one, am tired of the hate rally's that are the news postings relating to either piracy/RIAA, politicians, or international issues. All the same things are hashed out again and again. Frankly, i was amazed that Steve even bothered to defend his posts at all, seeing that it is almost useless to post any non conforming opinion anymore
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
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Re: WRONG
"I'll try,Itunes uses whats called DRM. Digital Rights Management.Which determines and/or limits,Where and an what you may play your legally purchased music on.In other words
you did not purchase music.Only the right to play it."
Whoa there! First, it's called 'Digital Restrictions' not 'Digital Rights'. It takes away rights, it doesn't give them to you. Don't fall into the trap of using their doublespeak words. Allow me to explais, as I can play all my CD music just fine on my computer, and MP3's too, all without 'Digital Restrictions'. Please explain what 'Rights' I get under their 'Digital RIGHTS Management' that I don't already have?
Now, to the sticky point.. "I did not purchase the music".. or... "I purchased the right to play it".
Ok, so, when I buy a CD, did I purchase the music? How is that any different than if I buy it from the itunes store? I mean, both are DIGITAL FORMATS of the same song, in fact, the CD is much higher quality. Does the fact that I bought it online take away my right of First Sale? Hmm.. Sorry, an EULA cannot take away the right of first sale, as the RIAA discovered when they tried to shut down used CD stores. So, I purchased the music, but, if you want to be very picky, and 'follow the EULA', then I purchased the right to play that music, but not that music (even if I bought a CD).
Ok, so I've purchased the right to play the music, well then, that's even better! I can thus download the MP3 version of it, and hey, SHARE the MP3 version of it, to anyone else who has purchased 'the right to play the song'. Cause, remember, I purchased the RIGHT to play it, it's not my job to make sure the other person has purchased the same rights, I've done my job, I paid for it.
Which is it? They can't have it both ways. Either I bought a physical product, of which I can do with what I want, and no EULA can take away those rights, or I purchased the right to listen to a song by artist xyz, in which case I can download the MP3 version, etc, etc, all within my legal rights.
The rightthink and doublespeak of the industry survived for a long time, because the only 'effective' way to get music was via a physical medium (LP, Tape, CD). Of course, time has show that ANY attempt to 'RESTRICT' what people can do with their legally purchased product is doomed to fail (i.e. DAT tapes, Itunes cracked, etc). People know the DCMA is a flawed stupid act, and can't be enforced outside of the US. Now, a law that you can't enforce is bad. But a law that you enforce soley for the benefit of the mafia coroporations, well that's how revolutions are started.
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
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1 edit | reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc : Just as expected you don't address the question-- again--but instead attack the questioner. I've been squarely addressing the topic in this thread, and it looks to have been a lively discussion with pretty good points raised on the "other" side and bringing about a clarity of views.
The only two off-topic posts have been yours and Mr. STFU.
Steve
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Uhawl
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said by Anonymous :But there are few members that keep bitching about it. It gets old. Oh well... If you don't want to read their replies to stuff, then don't. Justin was kind enough to provide us with an ignore feature. 
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redhatnation
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said by guitarzan :said by redhatnation :said by RadioDoc : iTunes is mediocre at best. Can you enlighten this iTunes user about why you think it is mediocre at best? Seriously. I'll try,Itunes uses whats called DRM. Digital Rights Management.Which determines and/or limits,Where and an what you may play your legally purchased music on.In other words you did not purchase music.Only the right to play it. While I can understand the point, Apple's DRM hasn't gotten in my way yet. I can rip my tunes to Audio CDs and play them in the car. I can copy my tunes to my ipod and listen to them at the gym, walking, on the subway. I could even re-rip the Audio CD back to MP3 if I so desired.
What else?
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redhatnation
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| reply to RadioDoc
said by RadioDoc :said by redhatnation :said by RadioDoc : iTunes is mediocre at best. Can you enlighten this iTunes user about why you think it is mediocre at best? Seriously. Sure. So far I've got less than a 50% "find" rate via iTunes (yes I am an iTunes user too) on click-through from Radio Paradise and a couple other major online Internet radio stations, not oddball obscure stuff nobody ever heard of. It seems that if it's not mass-appeal pop there is very little there. If they want to be viable in the long run they need to significantly widen the library. Thank you for the reply. That's a good point. While I haven't kept track of my find rate, I'm a classical music kook -- and iTunes has been more miss than hit in that department.
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RadioDoc
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And again. You really don't get it, do you?
You are not a mod anymore either (gee I wonder why?), so you have no right to determine who is and who is not a moron. However, calling someone a moron here is a violation of the site's posting rules.
The OP stated a fact, and then an opinion. You flamed the person and ignored the question, just like any garden-variety message board troll always does. Putting certain words in bold face makes you look even sillier. You have no basis for your attack so you just talk louder.
The greed of the RIAA-member companies is legendary. You can't make that go away by using sleazy debating tactics.
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thender2
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excuse the bad grammar/syntax: it's been a long day, and I'm tired
It's an odd thing.
I hate buying CDs because I know that money is
a) going to the people who wish to sue me for dling music
b) going mostly to the labels and not to the artist
c) way too much to spend for a media technology over 20 years old with obvious limitations, AFTER they got in trouble for fixing prices(and continue to get away with it)
However, with this "stealing", with a variety of lossless and lossy copies of what I want available, I now own over 13 albums. Three of them, an OST, combine to be worth over $150. Before I began downloading music, I had one eminem CD, which I now seriously regret buying.
My point is that, wheather it's because people still want the original, yet don't always want to deal with a cumbersome physical copy, or wheather they don't feel like paying immediately, it works in the label's favor. Even with their currently horrible business model(artist gets shit: and CDs are extremely expensive), CD sales went up 11% the first year napster was popular and 5% the year after, and only sunk down the year when the RIAA created less than half the amount of CDs as the year before.
While in black & white terms, one may see it as morally wrong, I see it as practically right since it seems to be helping their business. The U.S. has done things like this too, when they fixed other countries's elections to prevent the spread of communism. Was it morally wrong? Yes, but was it the practical thing to do? Yes, and it wound up benefitting many.. to me, it's the same here. 
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